How is JDS a "better" fighter than Cain?

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  1. YesYesYes88

    YesYesYes88 Purple Belt

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    Not trying to discredit JDS but he keeps putting Cain down throughout every interview. In Prime time, he keeps stating words to the effect "Cain hits like a girl", "Cain can't finish me, I can finish Cain", "I am a better fighter".

    I have studied JDS and Cain like crazy from the day they both made their UFC debuts. Watched all their fights prob 100 times each (no joke). I always thought JDS would be a good fighter but never a truly elite fighter. Besides that, JDS' comments really annoy me. How is he a better "fighter" than Cain? I am going to break this down as much as I can. Please tell me where you believe I am right or wrong.

    Pure Boxing: Cain (better combinations, head movement and defence)
    Power: JDS
    Dirty Boxing: Cain
    Leg Kicks: Cain
    Knees: Cain
    Chin: JDS
    Wrestling: Cain
    BJJ: both the same even though Cain is a MUCH more dominant and positional grappler than JDS
    Cardio: Cain

    I just don't see how JDS is better. I know he can't really go on Prime time or on an interview and state Cain is better but I am sick of the guy keep discrediting Cain whereas Cain hasn't talked one bit of shit about JDS.

    All I am going to say now is that I truly believe Cain will give JDS another huge beating but this time he will finish him by the end of the third round. JDS may have survived once but he won't be able to survive another 5 round beating especially against a true HW, powerhouse in Cain.

    A 5 round mauling and beating and arguably, the worst beatdown in UFC title history, is MUCH more indicative and impressive than a flash 64 second KO especially when Cain came in 249 pounds (NEVER that heavy for a fight) with a knee injury. Excuses aside, Cain still kicked JDS leg several times before JDS knocked Cain out.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. PowermmA

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    You may be right. But if jds lands, which he has done before and can do again, all that shit you just said is out the window.

    My thoughts are you're on crazy pills.
     
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    Looking at their resumes, It looks like Cain had the paved way to the road to the title with help from the UFC..Junior did it the old fashion way...Finishing big names and top ten fighters.. Junior never had an easy opponent and finished many...

    Him and Cain are 1-1 so thats even...Juniors stoppage of Cain was way more impressive and soon who ever becomes 2-1 in the trilogy should prove that...

    Junior is 10x more fun to watch and a brown pride tattoo. Cain looks silly
     
  4. YesYesYes88

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    Finished more big names? Their resumes ARE EQUAL! Love to have seen JDS try and topple down Lesnar and Big Nog.
     
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    GrindingANARCHY Banned Banned

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    JDS has better wrestling. Everything else seems legit.
     
  6. iLesnar

    iLesnar Every dog has his day in MMA

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    He isn't.

    Cain is a better fighter.

    But even the better fighter loses.

    Even the better basketball team loses.

    Even the better racing driver loses.

    That's just sports and competition.

    Cain is the better fighter. And I won't get into why.
     
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    Carwin would have KO'd Cain
     
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    tkotom Fedor belt

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    "I have studied JDS"

    Oh really? Where? I also studied JDS but my university is better than yours so I know more about JDS than you... Seriously dude, nobody says stuff like this.

    "JDS would be a good fighter but never a truly elite fighter."

    This doesn't even mean anything. What are you trying to say..

    They're 1-1 where Cain has a dominant decision win and JDS has a vicious knockout victory. We'll see what happens in part 3.
     
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    He isn't.

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    And better cardio
     
  11. YesYesYes88

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    Maybe "study" wasn't the appropriate word but being a fight fan for many years, I analyse fights in a particular way and notice tendencies and certain skills a fighter posses and where they are vulnerable.

    And what do you mean that doesn't make sense? Of course it makes sense. Just like you have good fighters like Sonnen but elite fighters like Anderson, GSP, Jones etc.
     
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    In mma, effectiveness is the best thing you can have. Being super well rounded isn't always as good as being really good at just a few things. We've seen strikers with tdd march through fighters who were supposedly more well rounded, and vice versa.

    So in mma, JDS and his skillset may be more affective than Cain's, or maybe not. But it's not as easy as setting it up like it's a skill tree in an rpg or something.
     
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    This fight could go either way! Both guys are the top of the HW division
     
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  16. tkotom

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    Junior has KO'd everyone including the champion.
    Junior KO'd Cain.
    Junior has a better resume than Cain.
    Junior has more title defenses than Cain.
    Junior has been top 2 for a long time.

    He is an elite fighter. Maybe not super well rounded but he is definitely one of the top 3 HW's in the world and has been for quite some time.
     
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    Cain is more well rounded, but you eat one good punch from JDS out of nowhere and you're more done (and horizontal) than an omelet.
     
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    thats one of those fights that shouldve happen but never did.

    both came around same time n steamrolled ufc hw division.
     
  19. YesYesYes88

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    Whenever you try and post, at least post facts. JDS never finished Carwin and Nelson. He NEVER defended the belt more than Cain. Both have one title defense each. And don't worry Cain will make that two in a couple weeks time.

    And JDS and Cain have equal resumes.
     
  20. Nelly

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    If you think JDS is not truly an elite fighter then no one but Cain is an elite fighter in the division
     

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