How is it that UFC fighters have won world kickboxing championships?

[waldywaldy]

Meh. Kickboxers tend to do better in boxing than mma fighters. Name me an mma fighter that could look as competitive against a legit ranked boxer like Holzken did a few weeks ago? Klitschko started out as a kickboxer ffs.

It's apples and oranges. Some skills translate well to another discipline, others don't. In the end you'll end up with a large technical deficit because you spent most of your life training for another specific art.

 

[Chain Saw]

How is it that MMA fighters like Daniel Cormier and Yoel Romero won championships in wrestling?!

 

[superpunch]

Meh. Kickboxers tend to do better in boxing than mma fighters. Name me an mma fighter that could look as competitive against a legit ranked boxer like Holzken did a few weeks ago? Klitschko started out as a kickboxer ffs.

It's apples and oranges. Some skills translate well to another discipline, others don't. In the end you'll end up with a large technical deficit because you spent most of your life training for another specific art.

Conor McGregor

 

[Erratic]

Did you not see him beat Ortiz? The dude that nobody wanted to fight

I did. I saw him losing the fight and almost got finished until he won. I want Wilder to beat Anthony Joshua though, Joshua fought alot of bums and almost got KO and almost lost to a 43 (?) year old Klitchko.

 

[waldywaldy]

Conor McGregor

lol

Not even close

 

[Huligani]

"Sloppyness"

Here is the 40/0 boxing world champio, sloppy doesn't begin to describe. I already knew he was sloppy so it took about 5 seconds in google to find this

Wilder gets sloppy and wild when he hurts his opponents yeah. Cherry picked example though, let's face the facts: the norm for high level pro boxing is excellent technique, while the norm for all levels of kickboxing is weak fundamentals.

 

[Erratic]

Wilder gets sloppy and wild when he hurts his opponents yeah. Cherry picked example though, let's face the facts: the norm for high level pro boxing is excellent technique, while the norm for all levels of kickboxing is weak fundamentals.

So when an MMA fighter who has to defend against wrestling and literally like 5 to 10 different striking arts from kicks, knees and elbows.. throws some stupid sloppy windwill shots like that, hes a bad striker.. but when a 40/0 boxer does it as the other guy says "He is literally trying to kill his opponent"

 

[RichardN7]

Kickboxing is a low paying sport thus the talent pool is extremely weak. Obviously not the case with boxing. The constant sloppyness/lack of punching fundamentals in kickboxing is why I don't enjoy it.

Idk about that. Guys like Holzken don’t have a developed jab or footwork by boxing standars, but Holzken went 12 rounds with a very respectable pro boxer and did reasonably well.

 

[tenniswhiz]

To be fair most MMA fighters striking and low kick defence would look like a joke in Thailand.

A guy like Urijah Faber fighting for a world title even though he can't check one low kick.

I think he meant the sport of kickboxing, not muay thai.

 

[FlowchartRog]

Kickboxing is a low paying sport thus the talent pool is extremely weak. Obviously not the case with boxing. The constant sloppyness/lack of punching fundamentals in kickboxing is why I don't enjoy it.

This 100%, first response nailed it.

It does have a very weak talent pool, and a pretty fucking bad overall standard of fighting ability. There is simply not enough money and glory to be had in kickboxing to tempt elite athletes/fighters to be a pro kickboxer, like there is with boxing and now MMA.

Personally I don't like kickboxing at all, it's an amateurish scrubfest with most fighters devoid of technique, skill and IQ.

But I'm a huge fan of both boxing and MMA.

 

[FlowchartRog]

Idk about that. Guys like Holzken don’t have a developed jab or footwork by boxing standars, but Holzken went 12 rounds with a very respectable pro boxer and did reasonably well.

There are almost always exceptions to every rule.

Lipinets is another good example of a guy who started as a kickboxer and has found surprising success in boxing, just giving Mikey Garcia a decent fight (albeit at a weight Mikey should not even be fighting at).

But as a general rule, the standard of fighting in kickboxing is far below MMA and boxing.

 

[Erocthadon]

Remember when Joe Schilling got KO'ed by that can in MMA, then again in kickboxing lol

Schilling is extremely overrated as a kickboxer.

 

[Huligani]

So when an MMA fighter who has to defend against wrestling and literally like 5 to 10 different striking arts from kicks, knees and elbows.. throws some stupid sloppy windwill shots like that, hes a bad striker.. but when a 40/0 boxer does it as the other guy says "He is literally trying to kill his opponent"

Nobody is talking about MMA fighters periodically throwing sloppy strikes amidst mostly quality strikes, also the thread is about kickboxing not MMA. Kickboxing has consistently poor striking technique, not relatively brief moments of them. Also everyone knows that boxing's heavyweight division is weak right now.

What are you trying to argue, that MMA (even though the thread is about kickboxing) striking technique is not worse than boxing? Whatever you're trying to argue, you are failing (though it is a doomed argument from the beginning).

 

[trolldum]

Striking is much better in MMA than in kickboxing for the reasons stated in my post, and MMA isn't all striking.

 

[Huligani]

^ Casual "fan" who has never trained a day in his life.

 

[Stevanchez]

Reem was an MMA fighter first. That’s why his K1 title is more ballyhooed than Hunt’s even though Hunt’s competition was a lot stiffer.

Technically, he was a kickboxer first:

Reems first Kickboxing fight, March 14, 1999
Reems first MMA fight, Oct. 24, 1999

But he did dive into MMA much more seriously at first. Had long layoffs between fights in K-1.

 

[Erratic]

Nobody is talking about MMA fighters periodically throwing sloppy strikes amidst mostly quality strikes, also the thread is about kickboxing not MMA. Kickboxing has consistently poor striking technique, not relatively brief moments of them. Also everyone knows that boxing's heavyweight division is weak right now.

What are you trying to argue, that MMA (even though the thread is about kickboxing) striking technique is not worse than boxing? Whatever you're trying to argue, you are failing (though it is a doomed argument from the beginning).

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Oh look its an idiot who thinks he knows about every martial art and sport and just casually breaks them down like its nothing.

"Kickboxing has consistently poor striking technique" That is funny.. i thought i saw a Heavyweight boxing champion/Olympic gold medalist lose to a SINGLE headkick thrown at the start of the match.. 10 Seconds match. But hey fuck facts and reality we got a shertard here to break it down using his own genius level striking IQ, the winners of champion ship fights between different martial arts don't matter, what matters is the shertards opinion as it is never wrong!

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[blaseblah]

Reem was an MMA fighter first. That’s why his K1 title is more ballyhooed than Hunt’s even though Hunt’s competition was a lot stiffer.

Hunt literally lost the K-1 Grand Prix qualifier fight, then lost his first fight in the tournament and still ended up winning. At least Overeem won all his fights.

 

[Private Whatley]

Hunt literally lost the K-1 Grand Prix qualifier fight, then lost his first fight in the tournament and still ended up winning. At least Overeem won all his fights.

Fair point. I suppose K1 just seemed like it was a bigger deal when Hunt won his Grand Prix with all of the prime legends (Hoost, Aerts, Romy, JLB, Sefo, Mirko) and packed arenas. It just seemed like the organization had a substantially diminished profile by the time Reem won the tourney.

Edit: I don’t think Remy has emerged just yet.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Nonsense. Hes a good boxer but don't pretend hes not mad sloppy. I've seen him do allsorts like this, how do you think i knew to find a gif of him throwing sloppy punches in 5 secs in google?

What type of 'elite level' world champion can get away with windmilling at any level? Even against hurt opponents? 1 uppertcut from a hurt opponent while hes windmilling like that and he could go out. You remember Cheick kongo vs pat berry?

you can find him throwing punches like that because he throws windmills like that all the time when he thinks the opponent is hurt. yea kongo vs berry are too terrible strikers. he windmills like that nearly every fight and has yet to lose and finishes everyone