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Absolutely no proof she's a criminal
Absolutely no proof she's a criminal
Yeah. Just the dividing ideological lines are impossibly strict- there's no way these Americans all believe these very different things so strongly- honesty would show us more reaching across the aisle. And it depends what the criteria are- are we talking personal honesty, honesty in representing your people, business honesty/ethics, etc. Hillary seems about average- she shifts around when it's politically correct to do so, is more secretive than appropriate, and isn't quite hostile enough to corporate personhood to honestly proclaim she cares about everyday people. And she doesn't mind the appearance of conflict of interest. I think she would actually be more popular if she were more honest though.If Hillary is average, do you consider politicians to lie a massive amount, with a straight face?
Well that's a good question, and I guess we have forgiven the politicians who went along with it. But there was more opposition to that war than it appeared. Nobody believed Colin Powell when he did his "reveal" of the WMD evidence, we all just went along with it. A really disgusting time for our nation.This is an interesting topic, how hard to criticize a politician (who was not the president or part of his cabinet and such) for supporting the initial invasion of Iraq?
From up here, the whole USA seemed CRAZY when it came to deciding to invade Iraq. Considering how much of the country supported it and how, well, nuts so many of you seemed to be in regards to those people (or even allied countries) who weren't in support, I personally feel like the majority should be given the benefit of the doubt that they were swept up along with their nation, as long as those individuals express that they understand that they made a mistake.
Of course, this is all from the perspective that the invasion of Iraq WAS a mistake.
Your pt was correct partly, i slightly worded it wrong but i also don't think she did much as a Senator and SoS to warrant the nomination. That being said, the fact that she attained either position is egregious in my mind, but i guess i'm alone in thatHonestly that's about the level of response I've come to expect in threads like this. It's either that, or ever-longer repetitions of points previous responses have addressed with acknowledge or addressing those other posts.
Yeah. Just the dividing ideological lines are impossibly strict- there's no way these Americans all believe these very different things so strongly- honesty would show us more reaching across the aisle. And it depends what the criteria are- are we talking personal honesty, honesty in representing your people, business honesty/ethics, etc. Hillary seems about average- she shifts around when it's politically correct to do so, is more secretive than appropriate, and isn't quite hostile enough to corporate personhood to honestly proclaim she cares about everyday people. And she doesn't mind the appearance of conflict of interest. I think she would actually be more popular if she were more honest though.
But name me a single person who has been under the Republican's Hubble Smear-oscope as long and with as much focus as Hillary has. Let's put that lens on everyone and see what we see.She has a Brain Williams level problem with the truth routinely. While politicians aren't known for the truth, they aren't normally that bad
But name me a single person who has been under the Republican's Hubble Smear-oscope as long and with as much focus as Hillary has. Let's put that lens on everyone and see what we see.
If Bill was never President, shit even Governor of Arkansas, would she have ever even sniffed a Congressional seat, is what i'm asking? Certainly not the White House
Doubt it
I'm okay with it in that I can live with the reality of it. But I do call a lie when I see one.Just admit that you're ok with outright, bold faced lying, then
I'm okay with it in that I can live with the reality of it. But I do call a lie when I see one.
The proof that she is a crook is extensive, go look for it. Whitewater, money laundering, drug smuggling/trafficking, Vince Foster, and cattle futures to get you started...
If Bill was never President, shit even Governor of Arkansas, would she have ever even sniffed a Congressional seat, is what i'm asking? Certainly not the White House
Doubt it
I think politicians accurately reflect our values most of the time, with a notable exception in playing us off each other implicitly in order to further their personal wealth and that of their friends. It would be nice if the fact-checking movement had some democratic teeth behind it, in general. But I don't think that's one of the things we value.I think that is the problem with out current political system. We catch politicians in outright lies constantly and just shrug our shoulders and say "what are you gonna do?" But a news anchor? We can't have that stuff.
I think politicians accurately reflect our values most of the time, with a notable exception in playing us off each other implicitly in order to further their personal wealth and that of their friends. It would be nice if the fact-checking movement had some democratic teeth behind it, in general. But I don't think that's one of the things we value.
And as first lady?Why? PS major at an elite school, very politically active, extremely bright, went to a top aw school, did some important work and seemed to be on track for a big political career, got sidelined to follow Bill to AK (and be a law professor), then became director the Legal Services Corp. and later the chair, and later became one of the top lawyers in the country (twice named one of the 100 most influential lawyers in the country by the National Law Journal).
Lots of people with great resumes go into politics, and they don't all get that far, but her pre-political career is pretty much what you expect to see from a future president.
And as first lady?
Obviously dancing around the point because the bad comparasion
You are grasping now. I explained why it was a moronic analogy. Get out
I disagree w/ all of this. No, she was not on the rise, nobody on the national political scene even knew who she was. She was a lawyer, not a heavily practicing one either, congrats...What? She was unusually active for a first lady (for obvious reasons).
The point is simply that she does have the type of resume you expect from a presidential candidate, and before winning her Senate seat, she had the type of resume you expect from a Senator. You asserted that she wouldn't have even come close to winning a seat in Congress if not for her husband. No evidence of that. And it's doubtful that Bill would have risen as high as he did without her.
So far to recap
Absolutely no proof she's a criminal
I disagree w/ all of this. No, she was not on the rise, nobody on the national political scene even knew who she was. She was a lawyer, not a heavily practicing one either, congrats...
And your pt about Bill is absurd, unless you assume that people liked her staying w/ him after he had over 20 affairs
you're hilarious my dude. "no evidence of that', yet you post none and assert the opposite pt w/ such utmost confidence. Your opinion is not fact, not sure you realize that