How has America changed in the past decade?

[Revolver]

Nothing's changed. You'll still have to visit a third world country in order to get a woman.

 

[Zer]

I gotta visit the US someday, especially since I'm only like a couple hours away from it now. I wanna go visit Florida or Texas

 

[Not A Theist]

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to get to this. It was actually brought up in another thread.

I'm not saying it's affirmative action... but it's probably affirmative action. Look at those acceptance rates. People on the left are always going on about how AA is fine, there's no impact whatsoever when you pick candidates based on skin colour over competence. Of course there's an impact. An incompetent IT tech doesn't matter too much, but when you're dealing with critical job positions, an incompetent person will cause deaths.

And what was misleading/incomplete about it was immediately pointed out.

Incomplete statistics can be misleading.

On the face of it, it appears they only accepted 8% of white applicants, and accepted 58% of black applicants. Naturally one would infer that these numbers show they accepted 700% more black people. However we don't know the size of the applicant pools. If 100 white people applied and 8 were accepted; and 3 black people applied and 2 were accepted you have 10 students of which the majority were white.

There is *Tremendous* room for complete fairness within those numbers. Do you actually have a convincing case for such unfairness, or is this just an empty gesture micdrop type thing on your part?

 

[blitzk]

It's home of the brave for a reason: It's scary to live in.

 

[Not A Theist]

8/100 = 8% and 2/3 = 66%. Fair would be 66/100 or 0/3. 92 of those rejected white men would have rather been in the 3 person African American applicant pool. Those 2 accepted AAs would not want to be in the 100 white person pool. If it's complete fairness, why wouldn't the 2 accepted AAs want to be in the 100 white person pool?

How did you rationalize that as fair though? That's the more important point. You have a postmodernist mindset where truth is "objective" or something and cold facts are opinions.

I think that if you're claiming unfairness you need to make the convincing case for it. You haven't, nor do you even seem to be trying to, so I'm going to return to the characterization of your comment here as "empty gesture micdrop" type behavior. Feel free to participate in a more in depth fashion to defy this categorization.

Perhaps a bit of a demonstration on how this is done might prove helpful to you. So, for my case that there is no necessary unfairness displayed in your data. MCAT/GPA are not the only factors determining acceptance to med school and haven't been for some time. As such, displaying data which only talks about these things is posting an incomplete picture of the application process. If you do so knowingly and claim that it shows unfairness without further informing that claim, you are being disingenuous. If you do so unknowingly, you display ignorance.

Concerning that application process, there is no shortage of readily available information:

"While GPA and MCAT scores are still very important to medical school admissions directors, there are other factors that influence the admissions decision. Most admissions committees now take a holistic approach to selection and build a cohort where students will benefit and learn from each other.

A diverse class can increase student understanding of and compassion for a wide variety of individuals. This includes diverse ethnicities, life experiences, educational and geographic backgrounds, gender orientation and approaches to problem-solving.

With medical schools trending toward filling classes with diverse students who can learn from one another, prospective applicants will gain an edge if they show admissions committees how their unique perspectives will benefit a class. There are several guidelines students should follow to achieve this goal."

https://www.usnews.com/education/bl...-the-factors-behind-medical-school-admissions

Notice the bolded underlined part focusing on "benefit the class." Is it unfair to accept a student that will benefit the class more over one who will benefit the class less? Is fairness taking a student who would benefit the class less? Is that what you're getting at?

Anyway, a bit more info on the "holistic approach to selection."

https://www.usnews.com/education/bl...how-medical-school-applications-are-evaluated

Really, I'm being quite generous by responding. If you want to take a partial data set and say "See? Unfairness!" I think the onus is on you to SHOW unfairness. As it is, you're falling into the old "there are lies, damned lies, and then statistics" trap to confirm something I suspect you want to believe. Prove me wrong, and show me that you know better than the people who judge applications as a whole who benefits the class more.

 

[Not A Theist]

Everything quantifiable shows unfairness. So, you have to use a "holistic" approach. Now, you can make everything relative and subjective until the truth fits whatever you want it to be. 66% = 8% now.

I see. So, with you providing virtually zero support for your contested statistic, is there an expectation that I am to believe that you understand what benefits a class of medical students more than the trained doctors/teachers who oversee the applications of potential med students? I'm sorry, I can't do that. I prefer to base my judgments on reasonable grounds rather than overflowing emotions.

 

[Not A Theist]

There's literally no way I can form an argument against that. "Holistic" can mean anything. It's magical. "Dffierent GPAs" Oh, it's because of a holistic approach. "Different test scores" Oh, it's because of a holistic approach. "Different residency acceptances" Oh, it's because of a holistic approach. Anything I throw back at you, you can just say the difference is because of a "holistic approach" and you're automatically right.

If the scores were reversed and white applicants had the acceptances that black applicants have, and black applicants have the acceptances that Asian applicants have, it would be automatically unfair. You'd call so much bullshit on that just being because of a "holistic approach".

Am I to understand that you are openly admitting that you cannot provide a counter argument to my case?

Edit: Wow, did you just delete that post? You know it's already quoted, right? Is this what slinking away in shame on the internet looks like?

 

[melvinj0]

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