How good was Michael Jordan's era?

Revolver said:
Michael Jordan’s era was filled with janitors, fast food workers and mail men. Most of the cans in that era wouldn’t even be able to make a G level roster today. Could only imagine the numbers LeGoat could put up being guarded by the likes of Hornacek, Marjerle or Gminski
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Hakeem, Shaq, Malone, Chuck, and Robinson would all put up Chamberlain-esque numbers in today's soft-ass league. Heck, I'm not sure there's anyone that could stop Kemp or Zo, for that matter.
 
HomeCheese said:
Come on kid, saying the world has caught up to the US in hoops? That as just too silly man. Bring a ball next time and I can show you this old fart still has game. I'll be surprised if you could even get a shot off against me.
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Hahahahaha go to sleep old man. You got no more worthy arguments. You just keep on asking "world has caught up to the US?" repeatedly like a damaged CD during your days.
 
CodeBreaker said:
Hahahahaha go to sleep old man. You got no more worthy arguments. You just keep on asking "world has caught up to the US?" repeatedly like a damaged CD during your days.
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Son, do you really think Australia has caught up to the US? Be honest.
 
gspieler said:
Hakeem, Shaq, Malone, Chuck, and Robinson would all put up Chamberlain-esque numbers in today's soft-ass league. Heck, I'm not sure there's anyone that could stop Kemp or Zo, for that matter.
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You named four players that couldn't create their own shot, were less efficient than Embiid, and relied on poor help D to score low post
 
PRESIDENT TRUMP said:
You named four players that couldn't create their own shot, were less efficient than Embiid, and relied on poor help D to score low post
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If not being a post player = the ability to create your own shot, it's a dumb/meaningless metric to use.

And feel free to name all of today's superior defenders that could stop any of them in the paint.

And lol at implying Embiid is in the same universe as those guys. Are you arguing Embiid is the superior player, or just disingenuously implying it to support your argument, knowing it to be false?
 
Yeah, players must have been better 30 years ago. I mean, fuck, everything we know about advancement.. everything must have been better during my time
 
PRESIDENT TRUMP said:
I disagree
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Peak athleticism hasn't improved in any noticeable way. The difference between then and now is the learned skill level improving because of what has been learned from the past, rule changes that forced offensive and defensive scheme innovation, and a huge expansion in the overall depth of talent. Yeah, the average and below players of that era probably wouldn't have jobs now. But the top guys would learn to shoot 3's and play help defense. MJ was the best athlete of his era (I don't care what combine stats some idiot comes out with, MJ was built to play basketball. Every physical advantage you want, he had. 6'6", long arms, huge hands, incredible first step quickness and speed, leaping ability to rival anyone ever, strong enough to finish going up against anyone, still unparalleled agility and body control, especially in air). Claiming Demar Derozan could do 1/2 of the things Jordan could do is ludicrous and I haven't gotten into how much more skilled he was or how much better a defender.

Jordan born in 1992 with the same work ethic and focus is the best player in the world right now, it's just not nearly as large a gap between him and the next guy down. Bern is the only basketball athlete that clearly exceeds him. He's been a more productive player than MJ, but I'll take MJ's skillset over Bern's for building a team around. That argument is more subjective than most admit though.
PRESIDENT TRUMP said:
You named four players that couldn't create their own shot, were less efficient than Embiid, and relied on poor help D to score low post
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Dream and Chuck could both create and played face to the basket enough to know they'd adapt just fine. Only thing that could stop Shaq in the post is the double team, and he was great at getting deep enough without the ball to make it impossible. A new Shaq would be a game changer even today. Especially if the new version weren't a lazy SOB and showed up every game and stayed in shape and practiced.
 
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iwhoopedbatman said:
Peak athleticism hasn't improved in any noticeable way. The difference between then and now is the learned skill level improving because of what has been learned from the past, rule changes that forced offensive and defensive scheme innovation, and a huge expansion in the overall depth of talent. Yeah, the average and below players of that era probably wouldn't have jobs now. But the top guys would learn to shoot 3's and play help defense. MJ was the best athlete of his era (I don't care what combine stats some idiot comes out with, MJ was built to play basketball. Every physical advantage you want, he had. 6'6", long arms, huge hands, incredible first step quickness and speed, leaping ability to rival anyone ever, strong enough to finish going up against anyone, still unparalleled agility and body control, especially in air). Claiming Demar Derozan could do 1/2 of the things Jordan could do is ludicrous and I haven't gotten into how much more skilled he was or how much better a defender.

Dream and Chuck could both create and played face to the basket enough to know they'd adapt just fine. Only thing that could stop Shaq in the post is the double team, and he was great at getting deep enough without the ball to make it impossible. A new Shaq would be a game changer even today. Especially if the new version weren't a lazy SOB and showed up every game and stayed in shape and practiced.
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I'll get to this tomorrow
 
22k said:
I used to be so into bball back then. favorite team was the Bulls. Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Paxton, Armstrong & I forget the rest.

Jordan would literally fuck with rival teams, as if he would never take them seriously. I remember that game where all he did was just keep hitting 3s.
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No one did it like Mike. He was ruthless. Mamba was close. But mike would try and ruin your career!
 
gspieler said:
Hakeem, Shaq, Malone, Chuck, and Robinson would all put up Chamberlain-esque numbers in today's soft-ass league. Heck, I'm not sure there's anyone that could stop Kemp or Zo, for that matter.
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Hard as fuck bAck then! <{shaqs}>
 
Like always this thread is full of delusional people who think everything is better now. I’m a Mavs fan and watch Luka get to the basket anytime he wants night after night, yet Jordan wouldn’t be able to handle the superior athletes that play now lol?

Every possession is the same - one guy is camping out in the corner to draw a defender there, there’s usually someone else in the other corner or maybe 5-10 feet from it to draw out another defender. There’s nothing but open space, MJ would’ve scored 40+ a night on like 60% shooting - he scored basically all of his points inside of 18 feet when all 5 defenders were within 15-16 feet of the basket, he’d be even better now haha

I also don’t think he had to put the effort into being his best back then either, there’s no doubt the league is deeper today with the influx of foreign born talent, but there are tons of stories about MJ staying out all night at the casino or playing golf/drinking all day before big games and still dominating

I just read one from Jeremy Roenick - they played 18 holes and he took a couple thousand off of him, Jordan talked him into 18 more to try and win his money back, they drank the whole way around and Roenick won another couple thousand. He said MJ was pretty drunk at this point and bet him double or nothing that he’d score at least 30 and they’d win by 20, he thought it was a shoe in based on what they’d been doing all day but Jordan scored like 45 and the game was basically over at halftime
 
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