How good was Calzaghe ?

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  1. KillerIsBack V2 Black Belt

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    BS!
    Thats the best version of bernard hopkins ever.
    Before the fight with calzaghe, bhop was coming off a clinic wins over tarver and winky, and after losing to calzaghe he gave Kelly pavlic his most embaressing beat up of his career.

    B-hop’s conditioning was the best shape of his career in that fight, he even dropped him in the first like roy did.

    underrated win!
     
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  2. Prefect Black Belt

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    How old was Bernard when they fought?
     
  3. Hagler Man of wealth and taste

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    Comparing Hopkins’s way of aging to Wilfried Benitez’s would be a tad mistaken.
     
  4. seau45 Brown Belt

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    Given that Calzaghe was 36 when he beat 39 year old RJJ, one wonders if Joe was past his prime as well
     
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  5. Prefect Black Belt

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    Just answer the question because it answers everything by itself.
     
  6. Minowafanatic Black Belt

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    Exactly, why let context or nuance get in the way of things?
     
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    6 months younger then when he beat the shit out of Pavlik. I know that's not the answer you wanted.
     
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    yeah, he was very rare specimen to be dangerous in his late 30 ies - even early 40 ies.
    from very small selection of possible specimens.
     
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    Even if there was a slight deterioration, it was nowhere near the same level.
     
  10. aries Gold Belt

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    Absolutely the man was special. He just shows what you can do with really good fundamentals. He exemplifies technical excellence. If Bernard brought out a boxing instructional I think it would be like gold dust.
     
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    You also may add work ethics.
     
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    Oh yeah, certainly wouldn't argue against that.
     
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    You mean the tough but hard hitting but pretty limited Kelly Pavlik who got confused as to what to do against a huggy vet who just slows he fight to a crawl for points? It is funny how much all of you are praising Hopkins but had you bought any of his PPV fights towards the end of his career, you would have been pissed he had the audacity to call himself "The Executioner". Hopkins was not remotely close to his peak at that point in his career. His fights were nearly unwatchable.
     
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    It was an impressive win in a very close fight, but to suggest it was the best Hopkins ever is absurd. He was 43 and miles away from being in the best shape of his life.
     
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    Pavlik was loved by quite a few. But more meaningfully, Pavlik bested Taylor not just once but twice. And Taylor got the better of Hopkins twice before that so stop trying to underplay Pavlik. I thought Hopkins decimation of Pavlik was a great fight to watch personally.
     
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    Taylor was just like Pavlick in being limited but hard hitting. Styles make fights. Hopkins didn't devastate Pavlik. He just outpointed him in a non-title fight 10 lbs above his regular weight class.
     
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    didn't had devastated, outpointed him.
    may you post fight card? I do not have so deeply specific memory for details.
     
  18. Prefect Black Belt

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    Kelly Pavlik vs. Bernard Hopkins - CompuBox (boxingscene.com)

    If it was a mauling, why did Hopkins knock out or even just knock down the smaller and more limited fighter?

    If this was such a monumental win, how come Hopkins avoided Ward like the plague?
     
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    outpointing I had mean't in general win on points not mauling or steamrolling in clinches etc.
     
  20. KillerIsBack V2 Black Belt

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    Old enough to beat up a bunch of guys he would not have beaten in his younger days.

    the man aged like wine.
     

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