How good is/was Brock Lesnar?

Brock had his first MMA fight at 29 while Daniel Cormier had his at 30. Brock fanboys like to claim Brocks late start kept him from becoming an MMA great but are quiet about DC's late start and much better fighting career.
Brock was an average fighter who was lucky to enter the UFC when the division was awful an also given some favorable matches.
He is probably in the top 20 of all time UFC heavyweights.

DC did have some kidney issues from weight cutting in the olympics, but he didn't have anything nearly as debilitating as Brock's diverticulitis. Brock was also pretty banged up from 5 years of pro-wrestling while DC never had any serious injuries before or during his time in MMA.
 
Lol...who hasn't kicked his ass at this point? Dude sucks.

Herring, Couture, Mir and Mark Hunt.

He survived a hell of an ass kicking against Shane Carwin to come back and win.

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Super protected until they couldn't protect him anymore. Never should have had a shot at Couture ahead of Big Nog. If anything, Minotauro should have faced Lesnar and the winner gets the shot. Instead? Lesnar beats Heath Herring????

Protected from who?

He fought Couture, Mir, Carwin, Velasquez, Overeem and was scheduled to fight JDS at one point.

Who were the more dangerous fighters at the time these fights were made?

You live in fantasy land mate. You just create your own bullshit narrative and run with it.
 
Good/Great Wrestler
Poor Stricking
Absolutly no fight IQ. Zero.
Amazing athleticism

Good enough to be in the UFC, not good enough to fight without being doped to the gills. Low end of the current top ten, maybe?

He avoided standing with Herring, took him down and raped him for 3 rounds.

He mostly avoided striking with Randy (which he was edging him at anyway) and used his strength and wrestling to control him and wear him out.

Again, he mostly avoids the stand-up with Mir and controls him on the ground with ease, taking almost zero damage. It was a clinical destruction.

He absorbed some big shots from Carwin but managed to weather the storm by blocking most of Carwin's shots with his forearms. He picked the perfect opportunity to get back to his feet before the round was even over.

Against Carwin he seemed to gas and then panicked badly. Humiliating loss, but he took it well to give him credit.

I think he knew he was done when he fought Ubereem and was physically at his worst after battling diverticulitis for the last few years.

Finally with Hunt, his stand-up, particularly his striking defense had noticeably improved and like with Herring and Mir, he was able to get him to the ground with beautifully timed takedowns and land vicious g&p. He picks his shots very well when he's controlling his opponents on the ground.

Another Sherdogger with a narrative that exists only in their head.
 
He had a short but dominant run. He was huge, freakish quickness and agility for his size, tons of power and a strong amateur wrestling background. His biggest problems are that he got a late start and his health issues. Diverticulitis did more damage to him than anyone. He clearly just didn't move the same way after he came back and was obviously vulnerable to body shots.

I don't know if he would have beaten Cain had he stayed healthy but I believe we fans got robbed of what should have been a much better fight. I don't think there is a chance in hell that Healthy Brock loses to Overeem though.

Imagine UFC 100 Brock against Cain.

Would've been something special.
 
If only be learned his trade after college, actually sparred and was slowly built up on smaller shows. He would have killed everyone from 2004 - 2010 in the UFC and be considered a legit GOAT. But such is life, he got in there which most could never do

From say 2002-2010 who wouldn't Brock have beaten in the UFC had he started MMA right out of college?

How might he have done in Pride if he'd say started training MMA from 2001, gotten some wins against easy opponents in the UFC for a few years and then went to Pride in 2005?

I know....there's no real way to know, but it's interesting to ponder.

Either way, he showed what he was capable of with minimal training and a banged up body from 5 years of taking bumps in pro-wrestling. It's fair to say he could've had a much better career in MMA had it been his first venture.
 
Lucky. He got his title shot off of name recognition and fought a division that looked stuck in time, all of the Pride guys had fallen off a cliff at this point and you were stuck with Couture, Mir and Sylvia basically the same division from 2003-2004 except this was post accident Mir. Lesnar is just this huge intimidating guy and got super lucky to beat Carwin who got tired from beating him up after the first round and did what HW's do get tired. Compared to Cain and Overreem he looked like a joke couldn't survive the first against either. Overeem is a guy by the way who back at 205 without his punching power couldn't compete with the Chuck Liddell's and Vitor Belfort's of the world. Was really surprised he beat Hunt.

Know he had medical issues too and I feel bad about that and all but Lesnar did become a champ off of his popularity and I can't really blame the UFC seeing how many PPV's he sold. He wasn't terrible but the UFC did everything they could IMO to tip the scales for him to succeed.
 
he had great wrestling.... had he pursued MMA after college, and developed his striking more he would have been a great fighter. His biggest thing was not being able to take a hit. He also brought a lot of attention to the HW division from his name/time in the WWE.
 
Brock had his first MMA fight at 29 while Daniel Cormier had his at 30. Brock fanboys like to claim Brocks late start kept him from becoming an MMA great but are quiet about DC's late start and much better fighting career.
Brock was an average fighter who was lucky to enter the UFC when the division was awful an also given some favorable matches.
He is probably in the top 20 of all time UFC heavyweights.
DC was wrestling all that time, brock had not wrestled in 8 years
 
Super protected until they couldn't protect him anymore. Never should have had a shot at Couture ahead of Big Nog. If anything, Minotauro should have faced Lesnar and the winner gets the shot. Instead? Lesnar beats Heath Herring????
Super protected? Mir was a terrible matchup for his 3rd ever fight
 
Yeah, like he did in Carwin fight....oh wait.

anybody knows that fight would have been stopped if it was ANYONE else. He made a great comeback but that fight should have def been stopped in round 1
 
Brock had his first MMA fight at 29 while Daniel Cormier had his at 30. Brock fanboys like to claim Brocks late start kept him from becoming an MMA great but are quiet about DC's late start and much better fighting career.
Brock was an average fighter who was lucky to enter the UFC when the division was awful an also given some favorable matches.
He is probably in the top 20 of all time UFC heavyweights.
DC was a Olympic wrestler you fucktard
 
anybody knows that fight would have been stopped if it was ANYONE else. He made a great comeback but that fight should have def been stopped in round 1
He followed ref’s orders at every point and obviously wasn’t put away since he ended the round on his feet. It falls on carwin to finish the fight and he didn’t.
 
He had massive physical advantage due to being on all possible steroids since 15 years of age, other than that pretty average fighter...
 
From say 2002-2010 who wouldn't Brock have beaten in the UFC had he started MMA right out of college?

How might he have done in Pride if he'd say started training MMA from 2001, gotten some wins against easy opponents in the UFC for a few years and then went to Pride in 2005?

I know....there's no real way to know, but it's interesting to ponder.

Either way, he showed what he was capable of with minimal training and a banged up body from 5 years of taking bumps in pro-wrestling. It's fair to say he could've had a much better career in MMA had it been his first venture.
Had he done that, I hate to say it, but he probably would be considered the GOAT.
 
How good is he? Not that good. How good was he? Also not that good.
 
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