How good is/was Brock Lesnar?

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  1. SpongeJoshSquareCheck

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    A lot of people on these forums seem to have a certain bitterness to him and believe his popularity pretty much came from his name only, which part of it I agree with but there's no denying he did a lot for the sport by putting it on the map. Where would you see him as far as great (ie: DC, Cain, Stipe and Randy), mid tier (Arlovski, Travis Browne, Derrick Lewis) or low tier competition (Struve. Hunt, Bigfoot)
     
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    Not a fan but cant deny that he did pretty well coming from a fake sport to becoming champ in what 5 fights?! Thats fucking amazing to cross over like that. Dudes a beast. juiced to the gills but still could take a beating.
     
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    The better question is how good would he have been if he went straight to MMA after college?
     
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    He was a terror when he first came in, beating Randy in the striking game and utterly dominating Mir on the ground after learning a bit more about the ground game. But he's fallen really far behind considering how much mma advanced while he was off making money in the "sports entertainment" field. I doubt he could beat many top ten guys nowadays.
     
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    Steroids or not.

    That’s fucking scary. I say top five GOAT.
     
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    A raw talent. His athletic ability and wrestling were A+. Also, his size helped alot. He was able to man handle some guys, which made up for his low striking ability.
     
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    I still think the division isn't that strong. He has a good chance vs anyone, if he uses his wrestling to his advantage, not many guys would be able to outwrestle him. But if he decides to stand and bang, then yes, most guys now would probably beat him.
     
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    Brock knocking down Herring then bull charging.
     

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    Technically as a fighter, low-end to be honest.
    Obviously his wrestling is very good.

    Business-wise, he is very successful personally and very useful also to the UFC which is why he gets gifted big fights despite being away for years at a time.
     
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    Brock had a good run, but by no means was he a great HW. Yes, he won the title and defended twice, but it's important to dig deeper. He came along when the UFC HW division was dreadfully thin and was gifted a title shot with a 2-1 record. Beating Randy is a solid win, but the reality is that Randy was 45, hadn't fought in more than a year, and had a 50 pound weight disadvantage. Again, his win over Mir was impressive, but Mir wasn't an elite HW (very good, but not elite). Brock then got beaten to within an inch of his life before choking out a gassed Carwin. And we all saw what happened against Cain and Overeem.

    Ultimately, Brock was a good HW; arguably a top 20 all time HW. That's pretty amazing for someone who transitioned to MMA so late. Many people will things like, "he would have been GOAT if he transitioned to MMA right after college." Personally, I don't like to entertain those kinds of hypotheticals because you could just as easily say, "he wouldn't have been that good if he hadn't juiced his whole life."
     
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    Well if we go with sherdog logic hes nothing, a total sham, only good because steroids.
     
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    Brock had his first MMA fight at 29 while Daniel Cormier had his at 30. Brock fanboys like to claim Brocks late start kept him from becoming an MMA great but are quiet about DC's late start and much better fighting career.
    Brock was an average fighter who was lucky to enter the UFC when the division was awful an also given some favorable matches.
    He is probably in the top 20 of all time UFC heavyweights.
     
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    Lol...who hasn't kicked his ass at this point? Dude sucks.
     
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    ColombianFist "Es mejor ser rico que ser pobre"

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    He was GOOD. Not the most technical wrestler but he was a monster once he took you to the ground, plus he hit hard as fuck. If it wasn't for the diverticulitis he could have got a better resume even a trilogy against Cain. With or without the juice the disease he got took a lot of his wellness to continue fighting.
     
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    Brawk and Jones piktogram goats
     
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    Good enough to maul DC
     
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    Good enough to win a title. If he would have started 4 years earlier, he would have had a better career. If he at least started incorporating BJJ and boxing into his training while in WWE a little earlier his career would have been better. Still a beast.
     
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    Super protected until they couldn't protect him anymore. Never should have had a shot at Couture ahead of Big Nog. If anything, Minotauro should have faced Lesnar and the winner gets the shot. Instead? Lesnar beats Heath Herring????
     
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    At his prime Brock Lesnar was capable of making the Hulk and Juggernaut cry like little babies. Simultaneously.
     
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    I wouldn't say it was his late start, but his low dedication to the sport. To be able to just do a couple training camps, and come in and win the heavyweight title, is not something that you will see very often.

    The guy just decides to leave WWE and come to UFC and put in 8 weeks of training and can beat pro-fighters who do this full time. That is quite impressive to me
     

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