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They would never have gotten past the shitty walls.
Imma check Netflix for a documentary on him. Fascinating stuff, like a real life Conan.
Interesting posts, europe1.
What's it called?
No idea, was just going to do a random search of his name. Can probably find something on youtube, also.
While youtube searching, I found the Mongolian T-Pain:
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They would never have gotten past the shitty walls.
That's very likely just another legend. Great men tend to have great legends spun around them post-mortem.
Everyone hit all the major points with unfavorable terrain, and the inability to hold onto any conquests. But it would be interesting seeing how England, and Scandinavia would of turned out considering i don't think the Mongols could have eve launched an invasion of those areas and they would have been in great position after the Mongols inevitable lost control after a few decades.
It's possible. The documentary was based on the writings of one of his sons. It probably wouldn't be out of the ordinary to embellish about your already larger than life father.
There's a thread on this in another forum and someone made the argument that the Mongols helped Europe by absolutely destroying the Muslim empire and set it back a thousand years. The Muslims of that time were the most technologically advanced civilization in the world with their mathematics and science. That all came to a screeching halt when the Mongols came, practically killed everyone and even destroyed the "House of Wisdom," which was the library of Baghdad. The most comprehensive collection of books and documents at the time.
They definitely set back a lot of Muslim countries/kingdoms.
Then some of them became Muslims.
I think Timur (Muslim) had almost as a big effect on a lot of the Muslim powers, including smashing the Mamluks and the early ottomans.
The muslims of the Middle East where never really in direct contact with Western Christiandom (Spain, England, France, Germany, etc), ie: the countries whom performed the technological explosion that lead to the European states taking over the world. So I'm not sure how the destruction of the Abbasids/Khwarezmian Empires would have facilitated such an development in far-off Europe. It's not like the Western European states where at this time exerting big efforts in fighting them or anything.
Also, the technological development of the muslim world was grinding to a halt even before the Mongols arrived, thanks to the heavily anti-science theology of Al-Ghazali and others like him. The Mongols basically had the same effect on the muslim scientific-world that the Meteor had on the Dinosaurs. The meteor may have obliterate the Dinosaurs, but they where heading towards a slow death anyways. The meteor just speed things up. (This conclusion is actually based on fairly new resarch. So it's a little discussed factoid. It's from Fredrich Starr's "Lost Enlightenment: Central Asia's Golden Age From the Arab Conquest to Tamerlane").
Also, the technological development of the muslim world was grinding to a halt even before the Mongols arrived, thanks to the heavily anti-science theology of Al-Ghazali and others like him. The Mongols basically had the same effect on the muslim scientific-world that the Meteor had on the Dinosaurs. The meteor may have obliterate the Dinosaurs, but they where heading towards a slow death anyways. The meteor just speed things up. (This conclusion is actually based on fairly new resarch. So it's a little discussed factoid. It's from Fredrich Starr's "Lost Enlightenment: Central Asia's Golden Age From the Arab Conquest to Tamerlane").
The delay in scientific progress in the middle east laid the ground work for later European colonization/conquest. It made it more difficult to resist the invaders in general, as Europeans showed up with better technology, gunpowder, ships, etc. Or at least it looks that way. Yes, the European states that experienced a technological boom-period would have achieved that progress anyway, but they might have found more powerful regional rivals in the middle east during their period of global conquest, if not for the Mongols. That's the central point. Do you really think the Muslims would have continued to regress for centuries? There was regression in Europe after the classical era, but that was followed by a Renaissance period.
Also, in the 13th and 14th centuries the Italian city states could have made for some rich Mongol plunder, and Rome still had a reputation at the time, so there would have been some prestige in sacking it.
Genghis Khan's sons and grandsons continued his conquests. The Mongol's main issue was they relied on their horses, which meant they would do poorly when their horses didnt have sufficient grazing range, when the terrain was too mountainous for horses, or when they had to cross water.
Everyone hit all the major points with unfavorable terrain, and the inability to hold onto any conquests. But it would be interesting seeing how England, and Scandinavia would of turned out considering i don't think the Mongols could have eve launched an invasion of those areas and they would have been in great position after the Mongols inevitable lost control after a few decades.
Watch Marco Polo and thank me later.
Watch Marco Polo and thank me later.
Why did the Huns fail to conquer Italy? The same reason the Mongols failed to conquer India: It involved fighting in highly mountainous terrain. There is a big difference between defeating some weak Tibetan regions and defeating a political force that knows how to use terrain to their advantage.You guys understand that China alone is larger and more geographically varied than the continental US. Higher mountains, larger deserts, more jungles and rainforests.
The Mongols conquered their way through the middle eastern deserts. They overran what is now Russia in the winter. Crushed mountain kingdom and empires. Fought in the tropics of Southern China. They twice prepared the largest amphibious invasion forces until then known to man until caught in freak storms.
Warfare of on such a scale and of such logistical, strategic, tactical and technical proficiency would not be seen again for another seven centuries.
And people say, "oh, the forests of Europe would have stopped them." GTFO. That's just wishful thinking. Europe would have been crushed, just like everybody else.