Yes the overblown reiterated grappler vs striker debate. People say BJJ will usually take it but what if he's not at least average at takedowns vs a boxer/MT guy? You'll say boxer would be clueless on ground, yes, but first you have to get the fight there. Sort of like that vs wrestler thread, how would one gameplan vs a striker? A clinch and throw would only be effective if you duck and grab otherwise you're getting clocked. When I say poor takedowns it likely means him shooting out of punchers range is a no go because of poor skill. So does a BJJ artist at least have to be average to be effective?