How do you view Napoleon Bonaparte?

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  1. Foghorn Leghorn

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    Inspired by the recent "Do people really like Hitler?" thread, this has led me to wonder how people view the actions of France's famed Emperor, Napoleon Bonaparte.

    For reference, Wikipedia lays out the debate about the differing views on the man:
    Can he be compared to Hitler? Genghis Khan? Was his military career something to be praised, or criticized? Did he destroy France, or set it on the path to modernity? Did he set Europe back by decades, or was he an agent of change ushering in a new system? Was he good, bad, or simply somewhere in the grey?

    With so many ways to view the man, what's your take, War Room?
     
  2. sub_thug

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    He's a little of both. He definitely ushered in a new era of modernity for France and the rest of Europe. He was absolutely a genius, one of those rare minds in history that seem to transcend their time and place. At the same time, he was certainly ruthless, conquering his enemies and applying varying levels of cruelty to subjugate them. He also had an incredible ego, and you can't really deny that. Like most, he was neither an absolute hero nor an absolute villain. He was a man imposing his view on the world with a level of efficiency and skill, coupled with means and opportunity, that rarely occurs in human history.
     
  3. JohnnySagebrush

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    A tyrant like most rulers of his era. Skilled but overrated as a strategist.

    At least that's my opinion based on limited reading, but I've never committed to an extensive study of the man. I look forward to reading opinions.
     
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    From above. He's a manlet.
     
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    Genghis GOAT, IMO.
     
  6. By tilting my head downward slightly.

    Nah, I dunno, haven't read about that fucker in many, many years.
     
  7. Harmonica

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    What makes you say that? From my experience, if there is one thing everyone agrees upon when Napoleon is discussed, it is that he was an absolute genius for warfare.
     
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  8. Foghorn Leghorn

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    The height thing is a predictable route that people will go down to make jokes, but it's a good example of how a false reality can stick around and stay apart of a modern narrative.

    @DevilsLettuce Genghis can't be the GOAT due to the Mongol's flawed succession routine (IMO).
     
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    Rape?
     
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  12. Foghorn Leghorn

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    A couple of things people may be unaware of, to help add to the discussion:

    He helped usher in the metric system:
    He implemented the Napoleonic Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code:
    The Napoleonic Wars killed hundreds of thousands of Europeans ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars )

    He sold Louisiana to the United States ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase )
     
  13. Foghorn Leghorn

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    Nah, that's just part of the game of history (unfortunately, of course). More so because of the ruling class having to travel all the way back to Mongolia to hold their election or whatever to determine the next Khan.
     
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    Fair enough. I was just always so impressed by what they were able to conquer with such simple weapons, horse and bow.
     
  15. Foghorn Leghorn

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    Absolutely. Genghis/The Mongols would be another thread similar to this. Let's see how this one plays out, then maybe we can go down that road (I am of the belief that the Mongol empire, while impressive, would not have overrun Europe). Their most simple weapon, though? Fear.
     
  16. Rational Poster

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    Napoleon isn't famous for his strategy. It's his tactics which made him brilliant.

    His claim to fame really is making incredibly bold and flat out stupid strategic moves, but still kicking everyone's ass on the field anyway when he got there.
     
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    If Ogedei hadn't been an alcoholic and died so early, there is little doubt mainland Europe would have fallen. Subutai smashed every European army he faced with ease. Conquering all of China was a more impressive military feat than conquering Europe anyway.
     
  18. Foghorn Leghorn

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    Quiet, you. That's for another thread.
     
  19. Pwent

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    this about sums it up

    same as i said in the hitler thread in regards to his public speaking and leadership, you dont have to agree with what he did, to be impressed at his ability to do it.

    its like darth vader in star wars, im not rooting for him but i can admire that hes really good at using the force and a lightsaber
     
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