How do you train for NO TIME limit sub only competition?

[Italianissimo]

How do you train (sparring and conditioning) for NO TIME LIMIT, submission only competition?
Strenght work or more cardio?
How do you organize your sparring sessions?

 

[yetanother]

I would guess hours upon hours of rolling if you want to outlast people.
For no-gi sub only I would just do 100% heel hooks.
I don't do any S&C ever and for this format it less useful then ordinary.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Train to relax and conserve energy imo. Assuming both competitors are of equal skill, the one to get tired first is most likely to lose.

 

[mataleaos]

Focus on control positions that lead to easy subs that can be finished either top or bottom more so than focus on sweeping, passing, and traditional positions.

You can go really far just learning the big 4. Note that these 4 usually can chain back and forth into each other. They're also all great because for the most part you don't need to pass the guard or even get a clean sweep to get to any of these. The back is the closest to a traditional position but you can still even get it any time their back is off the floor.

1. back control: rear naked choke, armbar, triangle, back triangle

2. leg control: outside and inside heel hooks from outside ashi, 4-11, etc but the 4-11 is king.

3. front headlock: guillotine, darce, anaconda, japanese necktie

4. kimura control: kimura, armbar, regular/reverse/inverted triangles

Besides that I would focus on endurance, staying relaxed to conserve energy, and spiderweb and back position offense and escapes if there are EBI style overtimes.

Also conserve your energy. Sub only is a marathon.

 

[Thycidides]

I've been in several sub only tournaments. Cardio is really important. We do calisthenics, push ups sit ups burpees etc to prepare.

Leg locks are great strategy. I won a no gi match by straight angle lock.

 

[mataleaos]

Leg locks are great strategy.

I hate watching it but it really is. If you can get to the 411/honeyhole/inside sankaku then it's arguably the most dominant finishing position without the gi and you can get there with low energy compared to fighting really hard to pass the guard. Leg pummeling for the 411 is a great idea for sub only.

 

[Ice 9 Cobra]

I have always done a lot of shark tanks and a lot of positional drilling from my favorite spots to attack and places I needed to work on my defense.

 

[007]

shark tank

 

[TeamKenpo]

I’ve only ever done one of these, a couple years ago, and it was a real learning experience for me.

Only one other guy in my division, so just one match. I was very aggressive, going for sub after sub, since I knew no points were being counted. My opponent really struggled to get any offense going at first, since all he was able to do was defend....but defend he did...

21 minutes later, I’m beyond exhausted, and get caught in a kimura or something. If I were to train for one of these again (maybe I will at some point), I think I’ll focus on positions more. If skill is roughly equal, I learned that the man who tires first is going to lose. Get to positions where you can rest and where your opponent really has to work.

 

[esteven]

I actually disagree about the shark tank; changing partners rapidly prepares you for a much faster pace. It's great for preparing for short matches or rounds, but using it for a no-time-limit tournament is like sprinting to prepare for a marathon. You need to do long rounds to get the hang of the pace you'll need to set.

 

[Ice 9 Cobra]

I actually disagree about the shark tank; changing partners rapidly prepares you for a much faster pace. It's great for preparing for short matches or rounds, but using it for a no-time-limit tournament is like sprinting to prepare for a marathon. You need to do long rounds to get the hang of the pace you'll need to set.

The shark tank trains you more to hold your pace steady than to sprint. If the next guy coming on you is fresh, you cant push the pace like you would if you were only using one partner. At least, you shouldn't.

 

[Ice 9 Cobra]

Also, why cant shark tanks be long rounds? I was doing 12 minutes with a new guy every 3 for the last sub only I did.

 

[kpoz12]

Steroids.

 

[rmongler]

Steroids.

*lots of green vegetables and personal trainers with pointy nips.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

PEDs of some sort - EPO

 

[esteven]

The shark tank trains you more to hold your pace steady than to sprint. If the next guy coming on you is fresh, you cant push the pace like you would if you were only using one partner. At least, you shouldn't.

It's the fresh guy that pushes the pace, and forces you to keep up.

 

[esteven]

Also, why cant shark tanks be long rounds? I was doing 12 minutes with a new guy every 3 for the last sub only I did.

In that example, each round was only 3 minutes. It wasn't a single 12-minute roll, but 4 3-minute rolls back-to-back.

Don't get me wrong, I love shark tanks, but they're not the best if you're specifically preparing for a no-time-limit match.

 

[Gi Branco]

The key is to submit people fast. Also just have fresh guys thrown at you in training. When I did this I did 20 minute rounds with 3 other guys who rotated every few mintues.

No time limit sounds daunting but it will rarely go past 7 minutes.

Also google "sequential fatigue challenge" do that in under 12 minutes and you have nothing to worry about.

Good luck

 

[Italianissimo]

Many Metamoris fights went to the time limit and it was 20 min's time

 

[Ice 9 Cobra]

In that example, each round was only 3 minutes. It wasn't a single 12-minute roll, but 4 3-minute rolls back-to-back.

Don't get me wrong, I love shark tanks, but they're not the best if you're specifically preparing for a no-time-limit match.

Yes, but what is the difference if you are the one rolling 12 minutes?