Opinion how are unions not a right wing thing?

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  1. no fat chicks

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    they're an embodiment of a group that is fighting for families to have the means to provide.
    They stand up for ''real'' america, the people who work blue collar jobs at factories.
    Busting unions has led to decrease in benefits, job stability and wage losses. All these factors hinder the chances people have at taking care of a family, the cornerstone of most of the rights values.
    I think if many candidates came out as pro union they could even sway a lot of voters. . .

    has it always been this way? When did the right start union busting? Was it with R.R?
     
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    lol, there are plenty of union workers that vote Republican.
     
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    Because unions give power to everyday, working people, while challenging the power of wealthy, powerful people.

    And if there's one thing the right hates, it's everyday working people having influence. Their deep love for hierarchy obligates them to side with the powerful.
     
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    Yeah it's really a shame what has happened to unions in this country. Used to be you could get a union job and if you put enough years in you would have retirement benefits for life. It's called a defined benefit plan like a pension. Now these benefits have been eroded and mostly the only workers that receive a defined benefit plan are government workers. Our tax dollars go towards giving government workers benefits that very few privately employed citizens receive.

    I find it offensive and have wondered why more people don't complain about it.
     
  5. KeepItRealist

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    Labor unions in the US were created by both organized crime and communists to extort money and elect far-left politicians respectively.

    Democrats stepped right in when the Mafia was finally pushed out in the late 20th century. But at least when the mob was in charge they realized bankrupting companies wasn't good business. While Dems are only focused on the next election cycle.

    Also in the late 20th century the leadership in the major unions (especially the auto industry) made the decision to keep the gravy train going for themselves and their older workers instead of making adjustments to compete better in the new international business world and the membership did nothing about this.
     
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    The political power of the right wing explicitly favors the rights of capital and fights against the rights of labor to generate greater profits for capital. Support for this (like all bad Republican policy) is generated through other political means, usually by way of identity grievances, instilling fear of losing class status, scare tactics about socialism, etc.

    Also, it doesn't work every time. It's not some hopeless fight, as evidenced by red Missouri's recent popular vote destruction of right-to-work.
     
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    Unions are not a right wing thing because they represent the working class. And certain elements of the right never defended the working class because the working class is comprised of a much broader cross section of people than the upper class. It's filled with people that the supporters of the upper crust comfortably look down upon.
     
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    I never understood how unions were typically democratic nationally. At the two union plants I worked at, both seemed very predominantly conservative

    100k ish towns. So not mega city like Chicago or New York, but also not what I consider rural
     
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    Unions should be an option in a free market and can be great for protecting workers. I only disagree when you are forced to be in a union implemented by the government like we saw in California.

    Unfortunately the democrats are no longer for the working people.
     
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    I think the main distinction is that union workers tend to be from conservative demographics, but union leaders and organizations tend to support pro-union candidates.
     
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    Should be noted that teachers unions' have played a huge part in the pathetic state of public education in the United States.
     
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    The TL;DR answer to the OP is basically that Democrats allowed the influence of unions to erode for decades while at the same time Conservatives started focusing more on wedge issues while campaigning. Fortunately, the former issue is starting to be addressed.
     
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    You might also frame it as unions members understanding the individual benefits of strengthening the collective.

    They are the left wingers of their regional demographic.

    But the problem that unions have always faced is that collective benefits have to accrue to all people in the collective and there will always be people in the collective that don't want everyone to benefit. And that feeds into the right wing political argument - that some people in the collective don't deserve to benefit. And so the right can slowly peel off supporters of the collective by identifying and targeting those who shouldn't share in the benefits.

    I always think it's interesting.
     
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    Raises hand.

    I hate my union.

    For the basics:

    Government office employee (county) and the Teamsters is our Union. THE UNION is the reason I got hired at a lower rate than what was advertised on the job posting (which I accepted at the time cause I was desperate for the job) but then when I proved I could do the job and then MORE than what was advertised the UNION was the group that said "don't upgrade his payrate, it's too much paperowork" or some such thing.
     
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    Other ways that my union bothers me:

    Our last contract expired on 12/31/2018

    We didn't have a new contract voted on until like the end of March.. guess when it goes in place? FUCKING JUNE! We don't get a cost of living adjustment until 6 months after the new year and it's only 3% across the board. I make barely under 40k a year..... average apartment rent per month is like 1300 in my town (studio/1 bedroom places). If the place you live in wants like 40% of your annual income to be rent that means the best I could afford is a $1000 a month place.

    The other major issue I have is it feels like we can't dictate to our union how they spend our Union dues. It has a major feel of "shut up pleb, we know better than you"
     
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    Probably because the rightwing exists to advance the interests of capital and is actively hostile to the working class?
     
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    The right has always been against unions, even back when the right was primarily represented in teh Democratic Party (as you can imagine, plantation owners were not friendly to worker organization). The Republicans have been against unions since they became aligned with Northern industrial cartels during Reconstruction. FDR almost had to stack the Court just to make unions not expressly illegal because of all the right-wing justices during the Lochner era.

    The American right and, especially, the Republican Party are about upward distribution of wealth and power first and foremost. Their positions on everything else - immigration, gun rights, contraceptive rights, free speech rights - will all (and have all) change on a moment's notice, but their primary objective of slashing consumer and worker protections, busting unions, filling government with corporate influence, and reducing taxes on the rich will remain.
     
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    I guess thinking about it more most of my critiques of at least my Union specifically is how they feel like they've become what they were created to combat. The Teamsters feels like I am working for a second company that has a bottom line and they're ridiculously inefficient.

    The union my buddies are a part of who work for a Union 76 refinery they THREATEN to strike they get basically exactly what they want. To quote what one of them said though:
    "It's easier to strike and get what you want when your work clothes are covered in dirt and grim as opposed to holding a picket line outside a courthouse in a suit."
     
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    Unions are useless relics these days that do more harm than good. You're totally correct that that those in management positions do everything they can to squash the new bloods and prevent them from being promoted... whether or not they show initiative or desire to work hard and learn. In fact, initiative is seen as negative trait that bucks the system.

    Unions have decided that it's better for businesses to close or leave town than negotiate.

    I can't decide which workers are lazier and more worthless... City Employees or Union Workers. I have to deal with both of them on a regular basis. They're embarrassing. Is it any wonder most COH City Workers are also Union? ....lol

    The only Union worth a shit around here is the Electricians Union. They actually provide quality benefits to their workers and supply quality hands. Just don't ask them to clean up their mess at the end of the day. Then again, the plants and industrial projects absolutely can't have shitty/subpar work on electrical/controls. Too much money and lives at stake for mistakes.
     
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    It should be noted that you provided absolutely no evidence or even basis for this claim.
     

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