God is a liar who wanted to enslave man and keep him in the dark. Lucifer wanted to bring light and knowledge to man. Lucifer was also loved by all the angels thus God cast him out. God is a jealous control freak hypocrite
or......he could base his argument against religion on ethics?
you know .....like how its unethical to support an institution that has a long standing history of child diddling, for one
I was curious where this whole devil thing came from, here is a quick summary based on some research:
- The evil concept originated in many countries originally as the form of a scary boogie man or a part of many gods, or as something to account for "bad" things that happen etc...
- Zoroaster in Persia got tired of all these gods and simplified the idea by condensing them into 2 gods, a god of good and a god of evil. This is a simple duality that resonates to this day.
- Darius the Great who conquered most of the middle east like Zoroaster's idea and spread it around.
- Jews got wind of it and put it into their writings (The old testament). Also as the Greeks influence grew and Persian influence shrank, the Greeks introduced a new cast of deities which influenced the jews. A Greed deity called Hades had a pitchfork and a black beard. They made him a the "ruler of the underworld as a god of justice". Here is where the fallen concept was invented: Zeus defeats a winged serpent and throws him into the underworld. Myth grew to how the angel satan rebelled.
An interesting video about it in case you are interested:
- As Christianity was developing it found paganism to be a threat, priests turned the "evil" concept to a creature with goat horns and hooves to scare pagans into not worshiping animals. Gehenna was the place where Jerusalem burnt bodies of criminals. This was the inspiration for the terrors of hell. The rest was history.
Conclusion: it's all man-made rubbish. Any presidential candidate that lives their life by this garbage lacks judgement, is closed minded and is the worst choice for the American people.
The purpose of the New Testament was to control the masses. To appease them and make them weak. The whole idea of waiting for a mystical man to appear from the sky to save you.... it takes the power away from the individual. For example, Christians today are aware of Revelation, but they have this attitude of "Oh well, Jesus will save me in the end"
I was curious where this whole devil thing came from, here is a quick summary based on some research:
- The evil concept originated in many countries originally as the form of a scary boogie man or a part of many gods, or as something to account for "bad" things that happen etc...
- Zoroaster in Persia got tired of all these gods and simplified the idea by condensing them into 2 gods, a god of good and a god of evil. This is a simple duality that resonates to this day.
- Darius the Great who conquered most of the middle east like Zoroaster's idea and spread it around.
- Jews got wind of it and put it into their writings (The old testament). Also as the Greeks influence grew and Persian influence shrank, the Greeks introduced a new cast of deities which influenced the jews. A Greed deity called Hades had a pitchfork and a black beard. They made him a the "ruler of the underworld as a god of justice". Here is where the fallen concept was invented: Zeus defeats a winged serpent and throws him into the underworld. Myth grew to how the angel satan rebelled.
An interesting video about it in case you are interested:
- As Christianity was developing it found paganism to be a threat, priests turned the "evil" concept to a creature with goat horns and hooves to scare pagans into not worshiping animals. Gehenna was the place where Jerusalem burnt bodies of criminals. This was the inspiration for the terrors of hell. The rest was history.
Conclusion: it's all man-made rubbish. Any presidential candidate that lives their life by this garbage lacks judgement, is closed minded and is the worst choice for the American people.
so you think society has gotten more immoral? More immoral than when Conquistadors had free reign to rape children and enslave everyone they could in the New World? What about when the Ottomans swelled their harems with captive girls? Or when over a million slaves died erecting the Great Wall of China? Or the medieval selling of indulgences so the wealthy could rape peasants? Or the Bantu expansion, where they genocided several entire populations across Africa? Or when the Mongols sacked a city and spent weeks killing the civilian inhabitants within?How does it weaken you?
And yes in the end Jesus will save those who follow Him.
And if it is used to control the masses then why is society straying so far from biblical concepts (I.e homosexuality, sexual immorality, divorce, abortion)
You can pretty much make the same case with Jesus. Every known document mentioning him was written well after his supposed death by either unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from straight up fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Hearsay basically.
There are an abundance of stories, myths and beliefs we can use as evidence for the mythical evolution of Jesus however. Virtually every major detail in the gospel stories you can find in Hebrew scripture and pagan beliefs, long before the advent of Christianity.
so you think society has gotten more immoral? More immoral than when Conquistadors had free reign to rape children and enslave everyone they could in the New World? What about when the Ottomans swelled their harems with captive girls? Or when over a million slaves died erecting the Great Wall of China? Or the medieval selling of indulgences so the wealthy could rape peasants? Or the Bantu expansion, where they genocided several entire populations across Africa? Or when the Mongols sacked a city and spent weeks killing the civilian inhabitants within?
You think there is more gayness today than during the height of Hellenistic culture [who as the War Room should know, were the epitome of the Western Culture they love so much]? You think abortion today compares to the literal killing of infants if they were born sick or lame? Or conquering armies capturing children solely to use them for slavery- sexual or otherwise?
You think today's divorce rate is comparably problematic as the millennia of human history where women were literally property of the husband, with zero rights and protections?
The net suffering, degradation and misery from these eras you wish to return dwarf any amount of "evil" that exists today. The most depraved acts of ISIS cant compare. That fairy tale setting you yearn for only existed for a decade in postwar America for white homeowning males. An infinitesimally tiny sliver of the total human experience. And one that was only sustainable through the collapse of Europe.
Gnostic Christianity. Makes more sense reading Genesis...Yahweh God comes across as petty, jealous and vengeful throughout the bible. "The Snake" comes off as pro-human if anything else.God is a liar who wanted to enslave man and keep him in the dark. Lucifer wanted to bring light and knowledge to man. Lucifer was also loved by all the angels thus God cast him out. God is a jealous control freak hypocrite
It is accurate. Back up your claims if you think it's inaccurate. Oh..that's right. You can't.
As much as I despise religion and really hate the way Republicans use it as a tool to get people to vote against their own economic interests, I have to disagree with your conclusion. We have seen a very wide range of quality of president which believe in god. Obama goes to church and yet he is a rational, fact based decision maker who can separate his religious beliefs from governance.Conclusion: it's all man-made rubbish. Any presidential candidate that lives their life by this garbage lacks judgement, is closed minded and is the worst choice for the American people.