The mats don't lie. Take it there.
The girl ronda was fighting in video is bjj blue belt and again it was not a beginner's nogi division. The division was comprised of all the women at the tournament; however, they were mostly blue or purple bjj belts. Hillary no disrespect to you but ronda is really to big and strong for you to fight. I don't think you could beat her in bjj, mma or any other grappling event. I think you are very good grappler but ronda has been grappling for over 18 years. When I say grappling I mean submission grappling. Ronda has won over 85% of her judo matches on the ground. Judo only allows 15 to 20 seconds on ground (if there is no progression into submission),thus judo have to learn to submit people fast. Judo players with good ground work (especially world class judo players) practice groundwork (transition from throws to matwork) just as much as they practice throwing. Ronda as aslo competed at high level than you. You have to qualify to go to the world championship and other international judo tournament, therefore only the best in the are allow to compete. I know this is hard to believe but Judo is thrid most practice sport in the world, thus it harder to become a world champion or olympic medalist. BTW, there are 3 ways to win a judo match on ground (pins, chokes, and armbars). Hillary, as before I think you are a great grappler and wish you all the success in the world. BTW feel free to correct in spelling mistake. lol!
I think shes a great athlete, but on the ground, hillary will own his ass...[/QUOTE]
that really make me laugh! :icon_chee
on the ground, hillary will own *his ass...
Ok.
It's not a bjj vs judo thread. It's about Ronda vs Hillary.
You just make my day. NOBODY will win something important in judo with just 2-3 years of trainning 'cause judo at this level is far more competitive than female bjj. That's it, that's all.
Ronda is a better athlete, simple as that.
You guys dont have a clue about olympic level judoka. You compare your bjj to the avarage judoka. Judoka in usa and north america sucks. But at olympics level, it's another story my firends.
I didnt say that Ronda will beat Hillary in a bjj match, but she will be competitive, far more competitive than hillary in a judo match. Ronda is known for his newaza.
Take the top 10 female judoka and the top ten female bjj'er and compare their strengh and athleticism, no comparaison at all.
As i said, nobody in judo can win something with just 3 years of tranning, so it's easy to see the level of both sports. Please, be serious.
again you do not have to qualify for the pan ams, we have bjj bb at our training center have that won the pan ams black/brown and they only had to fight three or four matches. Ronda does not do gi anymore because as she said its too much like judo and that part of her life is over. She is very focused on her mma. Anyway, Hillary is still to small to fight ronda. Ronda has man strenght ,walks around at 160, about 5'9". She is a complete grappler :leg submission, armbars, chokes, throwing into submission, small joint locks and agrressive. I don't won't offend hillary in anyway i think she is very good, but ronda is just a more complete and experienced grappler. Ronda is the bigger and stronger pitbull. lol!
this thread is full of fail...
gbutts, how often does rhonda train with bjj black belts? has she ever competed in submission grappling against black & brown belts?
Ronda is an incredible athlete, but before we go around saying she would win in ANY kind of grappling event.... well I just wouldn't be so quick to count out a world champ.
If she's done with gi, maybe she should go compete in ADCC for fun. She wouldn't be the first MMA fighter to do it, she could win a bunch of cash (probably more than she would make fighting mma) and it would answer alot of questions.
again you do not have to qualify for the pan ams, we have bjj bb at our training center have that won the pan ams black/brown and they only had to fight three or four matches. Ronda does not do gi anymore because as she said its too much like judo and that part of her life is over. She is very focused on her mma. Anyway, Hillary is still to small to fight ronda. Ronda has man strenght ,walks around at 160, about 5'9". She is a complete grappler :leg submission, armbars, chokes, throwing into submission, small joint locks and agrressive. I don't won't offend hillary in anyway i think she is very good, but ronda is just a more complete and experienced grappler. Ronda is the bigger and stronger pitbull. lol!
Ronda is a judoka, and a damn fine one...But it is highly unlikely that she would even medal in the Mundials at her weight. But let's be real here...she is not supposed to, she is a Judoka. She tosses people on their heads.
Don't get me wrong. I'm sure her newaza is good, but it is not Mundials good. .
Hillary won a combined brown/black division, at her weight and absolute as a brown. The ground is the last place Ronda would want to be with Hillary, I mean really....
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Ronda is an incredible athlete, but before we go around saying she would win in ANY kind of grappling event.... well I just wouldn't be so quick to count out a world champ.
If she's done with gi, maybe she should go compete in ADCC for fun. She wouldn't be the first MMA fighter to do it, she could win a bunch of cash (probably more than she would make fighting mma) and it would answer alot of questions.
I wasn't discrediting anyone's skill. Hilary and Ronda are both great. I was just saying, the only way to find out is on the mats.
just for some balance... your statement conjures up imagery of a stacked bracket crammed full of black belts whereas she won a division with 4 people in it and the first person she beat was also a brown belt.
it also would not be the first time a female judo olympian won the adcc and she was not in where near ronda's skill set (sorry C.S. no disrepect intended).
In judo or mma, I would absolutely agree with you, however in pure submission grappling I would have to respectfully disagree that a judoka (even a world class judoka) can beat a nogi world champ in nogi.
But of course there is a very easy, extremely entertaining, and quite possibly very profitable way to find out.