Hillary Clinton unleashes on Bernie Sanders in new documentary: 'Nobody likes him'

She essentially called him a worthless shit heel of a Senator, who nobody likes, and a sexist to boot.

I don't know, seems kind of personal...
Personal, and SUPREMELY petty.
 
Because she's trying to tank one of the leading Democratic contenders, and is doing so with gross personal attacks.

What she said is not that bad. She said that he allowed for a campaign culture that has been accused of sexism and that he never spoke up about sexist attacks she received from his supporters. That's not exactly the harshest personal criticism I've heard in politics lately.


I don't really like, either of these people but it's always confused me how some Bernie supporters froth at the mouth with the "HE'S NEVER CHANGED HIS MORALS!!!"

And I'm over here like "he's been preaching the same shit for near 50 years... maybe there's a reason no one goes along with it?"

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors with Bernie. His supporters see him as some sort of Saint (not an actual Saint, just an expression), so they get so upset when somebody attacks him. But they cheer on much worse towards his competitors.

I think in a lot of ways, Hilary Clinton has been overly vilified and Bernie has been overly romanticized.
 

The only thing that it is really upsetting there was this: "I'm not going to go there yet" in response to the question about whether she'd endorse and campaign for him. I'm not sure what role he'd want her to take, but I think she should do whatever she can to help whoever wins the nomination. She'll lose a lot of support and hurt her legacy if she doesn't.
 
The only thing that it is really upsetting there was this: "I'm not going to go there yet" in response to the question about whether she'd endorse and campaign for him. I'm not sure what role he'd want her to take, but I think she should do whatever she can to help whoever wins the nomination. She'll lose a lot of support and hurt her legacy if she doesn't.
She called him a sexist fraud. That's ok with you?
 
I think in a lot of ways, Hilary Clinton has been overly vilified and Bernie has been overly romanticized.
Like I said, I'm not a huge fan of either and though the memes of "Hillary Clinton killed XYZ person" can be funny at times... she isn't really a nice person. Her laughing as a defense attorney about a rape victim will ALWAYS bother me. I know defense attorneys have to represent/choose to represent some reprehensible people but you can do it in a way that isn't, well, laughing/joking about a victim.
 
I don't see anything wrong with her criticism of Bernie Sanders here at all. She spoke plainly and honestly, and did not use any terrible personal attacks in the process.

She said he's a career politician, he struggles to get anything done, and that people do not like him or want to work with him. Seems perfectly fair. Those are the types of criticisms that are actually relevant in the political process.

There are plenty of things that Clinton does that warrant criticism. But often times I find people dishes out terrible attacks against her for next to no reason. The same people who accuse her of being a mass murdering war mongering child abuser, will then act disgusted when she offers valid criticism of a politician that they like. It doesn't really make any sense.
It’s poorly worded but valid criticism.

she didn’t have to say nobody likes him especially with the whole drama between them. But you’re right, she brought up valid points.

unfortunately she is universally loathed so any valid point she brings up will be worthless
 
Hard to imagine that so many people voted for her in 2016.

She seems to be projecting a lot of her own qualities on Bernie. Nobody likes her either.
 
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bitter old hag, hanging around like a bad smell lol just go away
 
She essentially called him a worthless shit heel of a Senator, who nobody likes, and a sexist to boot.

I don't know, seems kind of personal...

I think it's perfectly fair and perhaps even a matter of fact to describe him as an ineffective and unpopular Senator.

As for accusing his campaign of being permeated by sexism, that is something that has been covered and discussed by other sources. Is it a harsh thing to point out? Not particularly. It's been discussed for quite a while now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html

The idea that it's a personal attack is no different than any other political attack being personal. Bernie Sanders accused her of basically taking bribes from Wall Street by constantly bashes her for giving speeches. That's obviously a personal attack on her character, but that's just how politics goes.

I think people expect Hilary Clinton to be a punching bag, and they get really upset when she hits back. I don't see any issue with it.
 
Every criticism is personal imo. There are baseless and petty criticisms and then there's this... a harsh opinion about someone.
 
Yeah, I'm serious. Why should I be upset by her opinion here?

Because she lied about him being sexist, about him urging supporters to attack Harris and Warren, and about him making "very personal attacks" on Warren?

She's saying that an unapproved call script saying that Warren is awesome, Warren is the caller's second favorite candidate, but that her base is insufficiently working class is a "very personal" attack. I think pretty much everything she said (in re his 2016 campaign and his relationships with Warren and Harris) was in bad faith, but that characterization kind of pushes it out of the area of deniability.
 
My take from the outside is that Bernie IS the counter to the establish left and thus is often at odds with them. He has been consistent over decades on issues they mostly wish would just go away such as medicare for all and campaign finance reform and is often calling out Dems as much as Repub's.

So would establish Dem's like him? Should they? Do they see him and those who can survive in a post campaign reform era (AOC, etc) as a threat that is even more challenging than just a Republican opponent who is 'basically the same as them'? Yes, i think they do.

Should Bernie get in, and usher in a new era where Dem's suffer if they do not embrace the rejection of corporate donations, etc many current politicians know this could be their undoing. They have spent decades building these corporate donation machines, and it is a massive risk to them, and the DNC establishment, if they are put to the test of 'reject it all and build a grass roots campaign'.

I do think many establishment Dems would see this as a far bigger threat than any Repub opponent would be. And I think Hillary is trying to protect her Queen'dom.

As someone not in the campaign she can better take the heat and try to take him down.
 
Because she lied about him being sexist, about him urging supporters to attack Harris and Warren, and about him making "very personal attacks" on Warren?

She's saying that an unapproved call script saying that Warren is awesome, Warren is the caller's second favorite candidate, but that her base is insufficiently working class is a "very personal" attack. I think pretty much everything she said (in re his 2016 campaign and his relationships with Warren and Harris) was in bad faith, but that characterization kind of pushes it out of the area of deniability.

Again, any political attack is really personal at it's core, but we allow it from everybody except for Clinton. Bernie Sanders accused her of taking bribes from Wallstreet. That's a criminal accusation that he leveled without any proof. Were you upset then? Probably not. But it was a deeply personal attack on her character, if you choose to view it that way.

I think Hilary Clinton is held to a different standard than everybody else in a lot of ways. She takes much harsher insults than anybody, and people don't seem to mind. Then she gets much more criticism than anybody else when she speaks up.
 
Her criticism about being a career politician is laughable.
 
Both of them are unelectable candidates for vastly different reasons. Hillary is a psychopath that was bought and paid for by corporate interests long ago, not to mention the whole criminal thing. Sanders is a delusional old kook that would push socialistic policies on the population regardless of the dire long term consequences. As pathetic as it is, both of them are far worse options than Trump. And that's coming from a non American so I don't have a dog in the fight.
 
She called him a sexist fraud. That's ok with you?

Didn't see that, and I searched the interview for "sexist" and "fraud" and didn't find anything. If you're referring to where she talks about his online supporters' relentless attacks, obviously you know I agree with that.
 
Didn't see that, and I searched the interview for "sexist" and "fraud" and didn't find anything. If you're referring to where she talks about his online supporters' relentless attacks, obviously you know I agree with that.
Being intentionally obtuse is a bad look for you.
 
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