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[Jorge Luis Borges]

Fuck off. You're being deliberately dense if you're saying feminists are the only people who could be responsible when someone yells rape.

Feminist literature has constantly expanded the definition of rape well beyond it's base meaning of non-consensual sex. I can't think of any other cultural influence that has done that.

For a young woman to define the police physically coercing her in a non-sexual manner as rape is par for the course with modern feminism. Not sure what you are angry about.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Yelling "rape" doesn't make her a feminist, it makes her a basket case.

(People will say it's one in the same, just because a few extreme feminists on Tumblr post some Outrage Porn.)

Her being a simple basket case seems to be a fair guess, but even basket cases have influences. The common dodge that it is a few extreme feminists on Tumblr is a poor one. There are a lot of extreme feminists on Tumblr and defining rape in an irresponsibly broad manner has been a characteristic of the feminist movement since at least the sixties.

Note that I did not say this chick was a feminist, because I believe no political movement should be defined by their most crazy adherents, but that her spurious accusation of rape could lead one to believe that she was. And that is as true about her incoherent ramblings about being a free inhabitant makes her sound ultra right wing.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

just look at my cosby thread. most of the replies were defending him and calling all the accusers liars.

Yep.

30+ alleged victims. But they're all SJW feminists with an agenda and a penchant for lying. I mean, until we see video, they're all allegations.

 

[JosephDredd]

Feminist literature has constantly expanded the definition of rape well beyond it's base meaning of non-consensual sex. I can't think of any other cultural influence that has done that.

For a young woman to define the police physically coercing her in a non-sexual manner as rape is par for the course with modern feminism. Not sure what you are angry about.

Expanding the academic and legal definition of rape to enhance the protections available to people is vastly different than yelling rape at someone to get your way. Equating the two to the point that someone yelling rape to gain power over someone must therefore be a feminist is deliberate ignorance.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Expanding the academic and legal definition of rape to enhance the protections available to people is vastly different than yelling rape at someone to get your way. Equating the two to the point that someone yelling rape to gain power over someone must therefore be a feminist is deliberate ignorance.

You try to frame it as if only one or the other of those two things can be happening. Certainly there are responsible feminist thinkers who are simply trying to grapple with a complex issue. There are also those who use spurious accusations of rape and sexual harassment as an expansion of power, particularly in academic settings.

As far as deliberate ignorance goes, I will note that I never said what you seem to I said. I never said this woman was a feminist or even influenced by feminists. In fact, I agreed she probably was not an SJW type. I merely stated that someone could be forgiven for initially taking her as an SJW because of the non-chalance with which she levied rape accusations, which is the kind of thing SJW types are sadly gaining a reputation for.

 

[JosephDredd]

You try to frame it as if only one or the other of those two things can be happening. Certainly there are responsible feminist thinkers who are simply trying to grapple with a complex issue. There are also those who use spurious accusations of rape and sexual harassment as an expansion of power, particularly in academic settings.

As far as deliberate ignorance goes, I will note that I never said what you seem to I said. I never said this woman was a feminist or even influenced by feminists. In fact, I agreed she probably was not an SJW type. I merely stated that someone could be forgiven for initially taking her as an SJW because of the non-chalance with which she levied rape accusations, which is the kind of thing SJW types are sadly gaining a reputation for.

What you basically said was that it was fair to think she was a feminist if you weren't willing to invest any more brain power than "false rape accusation = feminist". There is literally only one reason to think she's a feminist and that reason is only reasonable if you hate feminsists.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

What you basically said was that it was fair to think she was a feminist if you weren't willing to invest any more brain power than "false rape accusation = feminist". There is literally only one reason to think she's a feminist and that reason is only reasonable if you hate feminsists.

I think another good reason would be if you actually read feminist literature or follow feminist activities on College campii.

 

[JosephDredd]

I think another good reason would be if you actually read feminist literature or follow feminist activities on College campii.

I would love for you to point me at feminist literature that convincingly conveys the idea that anyone who falsely accuses rape can only be a feminist.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I would love for you to point me at feminist literature that convincingly argues that anyone who falsely accuses rape can only be a feminist.

Lol. I never implied that someone who falsely makes accusations of rape can only be a feminist. Not sure where you are getting that.

 

[TSO]

the neckbeards in this forum blame EVERYTHING on feminism.

A fair amount of social angst is caused by feminism.

There was a really depressing thread on here not long ago where someone basically asked "even though we all know feminazis are crazy and stupid, my professor is saying they helped fight for minority rights? Is that true?!" And at the end of the thread he was stunned to learned that, in fighting for their own right to vote, women activists developed sympathies for other minorities denied the vote. Thank god he had been able to form such strong opinions without ever bothering to learn what he was talking about.

Those people would all be wrong though. The Women's suffrage movement was not feminism as we call it today. Today's feminists have as much in common with them as today's liberals have with the guys who fought the king of England to free us from tyranny.

 

[JosephDredd]

Lol. I never implied that someone who falsely makes accusations of rape can only be a feminist. Not sure where you are getting that.

C'mom now. Her yelling rape was more than bit feministy.

It was when you started with a wonderfully condescending "C'mon now." and then explained why it was more than a bit reasonable to assume she was a feminist. And I replied that it was only a reasonable assumption if you're deliberately dense.

Fast forward to now when you're not sure why someone would think you were saying that it was perfectly reasonable to assume she was feminist when the only thing you based your original comment on was that she falsely accused someone of rape and talked down to someone who was slightly more capable of reason.

 

[JosephDredd]

Those people would all be wrong though. The Women's suffrage movement was not feminism as we call it today. Today's feminists have as much in common with them as today's liberals have with the guys who fought the king of England to free us from tyranny.

By "it was not feminism as we call it today" sounds like you're taking the modern definition of feminism as perceived by mouth-breathing retards and saying that it bears little resemblance to feminism of the past. No shit, because the modern definition of femsinism as perceived by mouth-breathing retards also bears little resemblance to feminism of the present.

The woman's suffragette movement didn't stop when white women got the vote. In many places white women got the vote, then minority men, then minority women, and that happened with feminists pushing for it through all the decades it took. Feminists also concerned themselves with legal, judicial and financial equality as well as setting up many systems of medical care and safety that women lacked. These battles still exist in modern times as the voter identity laws have served to disenfranchise many people and there are still places where the right to abortions in America is a losing battle.

 

[TSO]

By "it was not feminism as we call it today" sounds like you're taking the modern definition of feminism as perceived by mouth-breathing retards and saying that it bears little resemblance to feminism of the past. No shit, because the modern definition of femsinism as perceived by mouth-breathing retards also bears little resemblance to feminism of the present.

Those "mouth breathers" seem to have a better handle on what feminism is today than you do. Feminism isn't what it claims to be, it's how people act that call themselves feminists.

The woman's suffragette movement didn't stop when white women got the vote. In many places white women got the vote, then minority men, then minority women, and that happened with feminists pushing for it through all the decades it took. Feminists also concerned themselves with legal, judicial and financial equality as well as setting up many systems of medical care and safety that women lacked. These battles still exist in modern times as the voter identity laws have served to disenfranchise many people and there are still places where the right to abortions in America is a losing battle.

Yes the Women's suffrage movement ended when white women got the vote(among other goals).

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

It was when you started with a wonderfully condescending "C'mon now." and then explained why it was more than a bit reasonable to assume she was a feminist. And I replied that it was only a reasonable assumption if you're deliberately dense.

Fast forward to now when you're not sure why someone would think you were saying that it was perfectly reasonable to assume she was feminist when the only thing you based your original comment on was that she falsely accused someone of rape and talked down to someone who was slightly more capable of reason.

1. I am sorry I offended you with by prefacing my comment with "C'mon now". How about the statements you made about me being deliberatley ignorant, and dense? Or does being polite only go one way?

2. You are playing bait and switch here. These two arguments you attribute to me are not the same:

you were saying that it was perfectly reasonable to assume she was feminist when the only thing you based your original comment on was that she falsely accused someone of rape

I would love for you to point me at feminist literature that convincingly conveys the idea that anyone who falsely accuses rape can only be a feminist.

3. My obvious point is that there is an influential strain of feminism that constantly pushes the definition of rape well beyond its accepted definition of non-consensual sex. If I see a person claiming a non-sexual act is rape I am not being unreasonable to assume that they are either a Sherdogger talking about their favorite fighter dominating another fighter or that that person is influenced by this strain of feminism.

It is the same line of thinking that would dismiss anyone going on about the Articles of Confederation and being a free inhabitant as some sort of far right wing militia type.

 

[JosephDredd]

1. I am sorry I offended you with by prefacing my comment with "C'mon now". How about the statements you made about me being deliberatley ignorant, and dense? Or does being polite only go one way?

You are welcome to rip on me for calling you deliberately dense and deliberately ignorant. I feel like I have explained why quite well.

2. You are playing bait and switch here. These two arguments you attribute to me are not the same:

3. My obvious point is that there is an influential strain of feminism that constantly pushes the definition of rape well beyond its accepted definition of non-consensual sex. If I see a person claiming a non-sexual act is rape I am not being unreasonable to assume that they are either a Sherdogger talking about their favorite fighter dominating another fighter or that that person is influenced by this strain of feminism.

It is the same line of thinking that would dismiss anyone going on about the Articles of Confederation and being a free inhabitant as some sort of far right wing militia type.

My point is that when you said that it was more than a bit reasonable to think she was a feminist you did not have any indication that it was a woman who subscribes to "an influential strain of feminism that constantly pushes the definition of rape well beyond its accepted definition of non-consensual sex", all you had was a woman who falsely accused someone of rape. In the absence of any other indicator that she was a woman who subscribes to "an influential strain of feminism that constantly pushes the definition of rape well beyond its accepted definition of non-consensual sex", the only logical conclusion to you saying "it was more than a bit feministy" is that you were saying that it's more than reasonable to think anyone who falsely accuses someone of rape is a feminist.

 

[JosephDredd]

Those "mouth breathers" seem to have a better handle on what feminism is today than you do. Feminism isn't what it claims to be, it's how people act that call themselves feminists.

lol oh for fuck's sake. Thank you for proving my point.

Yes the Women's suffrage movement ended when white women got the vote(among other goals).

Wonderful. Thank you for contributing.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

You are welcome to rip on me for calling you deliberately dense and deliberately ignorant. I feel like I have explained why quite well.



My point is that when you said that it was more than a bit reasonable to think she was a feminist you did not have any indication that it was a woman who subscribes to "an influential strain of feminism that constantly pushes the definition of rape well beyond its accepted definition of non-consensual sex", all you had was a woman who falsely accused someone of rape. In the absence of any other indicator that she was a woman who subscribes to "an influential strain of feminism that constantly pushes the definition of rape well beyond its accepted definition of non-consensual sex", the only logical conclusion to you saying "it was more than a bit feministy" is that you were saying that it's more than reasonable to think anyone who falsely accuses someone of rape is a feminist.

It's not just the falseness of the rape charge, it is the absurdity of claiming rape for removing her bag, a clearly non-sexual act. There may be ideologies other than feminism that define rape so broadly as to include non-sexual acts, but I am unaware of them.

I was never arguing nor do I believe that false accusations of rape can only come from a feminist, although feminists have recently been very sympathetic to high profile rape accusations long after those claims were proven false. See the Duke Lacrosse case or the UVA fraternity case or with that nutjob with the mattress at Columbia.

If you think I am ignorant for linking feminists with broad definitions of rape and sympathy for false accusations of rape, perhaps you just haven't been paying attention to the news.

 

[TSO]

lol oh for fuck's sake. Thank you for proving my point.

You not having an argument against them and instead ad-homonym attacking them shows how bad your stance is.

Wonderful. Thank you for contributing.

You're welcome.

 

[JosephDredd]

You not having an argument against them and instead ad-homonym attacking them shows how bad your stance is.



You're welcome.

What do you want me to say? Do you think the suffragettes just went home and stopped working for the advancement of minority issues when they got the vote? That somewhere along the line they held a meeting and said, "Ladies, we are no longer suffragettes. And in a few decades when we're much older, and hopefully having seen much success in our goals of equality, we are going to be feminists. We're going to keep doing what we're doing and the women who come after us in the following decades will continue doing what we started, but we must be very certain of what we call ourselves because almost a century from now it's going to be very important for mouth-breathers on the internet."

You've got your opinion and I very much doubt that you formed it with book-learning, so what would continued discussion do? If you want to chalk this up as a victory and me running away, feel free to do so.

 

[TSO]

What do you want me to say?

I'd like you to make a point that can be verified that supports your argument.

Do you think the suffragettes just went home and stopped working for the advancement of minority issues when they got the vote? That somewhere along the line they held a meeting and said, "Ladies, we are no longer suffragettes. And in a few decades when we're much older, and hopefully having seen much success in our goals of equality, we are going to be feminists. We're going to keep doing what we're doing and the women who come after us in the following decades will continue doing what we started, but we must be very certain of what we call ourselves because almost a century from now it's going to be very important for mouth-breathers on the internet."

This kind of shit is why you look like a joke most of the time. You can't even make a point without trying to deflect, derail, or insult to make your position look better to those that don't know any better.

You've got your opinion and I very much doubt that you formed it with book-learning, so what would continued discussion do? If you want to chalk this up as a victory and me running away, feel free to do so.

I'd much prefer to have a reasonable debate seeing as how we are of opposing views but you refuse to make an argument at all. Ever. Instead you take the stance of "agree with me or you're wrong", that's only a valid stance if you can actually prove your point.