Herb: "excuse me joe i have to prematurely stop the podcast"
Herzog, Pederson, and Beltran are the best refs. Used to include Goddard but he's become a bit of a wanker as of lateUsed to be the gold standard.
Now he's one of the worst refs out there. Fucks up all the time.
Goddard too.
Give me some no nonsense any day.