Henry Cejudo might vacate FW title to move BW, may take a break from UFC if not paid ‘like a legend'

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  1. Area809

    Area809 Black Belt

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    Boxing promoters do not have the overhead the UFC does. I wouldn’t rush to call someone dumb if you can’t comprehend that part of the economics of each sport.
     
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    I guess you missed the consecutive wins over DJ, TJ, and Moraes. Henry has leverage and has earned it.
     
  3. Area809

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    Unionize
     
  4. ijngf

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    That is not how the market works. Even if a capitalist thinks an employee is worth what this employee thinks he is worth, the capitalist would not pay him that much. The capitalist would want the employee to make value more than the necessary labour value, so that the capitalist could make profit–the surplus value.
     
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    How much would Tom Brady make if he left the NFL for the CFL? For sports, a very monopolistic industry, you can't look at it in the same light of other industries. It isn't perfect competition, it's far from it.

    Yes, fighter's have some negotiating power, but they have far less than similar industries with more marketing and branding power.

    I am willing to place a bet today that the % of rev that goes to the fighters will only be higher and never lower over time. That won't have to do with the UFC losing branding power, but will have to do with regulation.
     
  6. ijngf

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    If he had left the flyweight division shortly after he became a double champ, it would have been a glorious leave for him–he would have given the division an opportunity to be closed in a decent way. But now he had better retain his title again to show that he chose to close this division, instead of being forced to leave.
     
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    That's an oversimplification of economics and doesn't fit the characteristics of the UFC. The UFC is a monopoly, MMA is an oligopoly, those fundamentals of supply and demand don't apply the same way. They are far stickier.
     
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    Market failures are a reality of any capitalistic economy. I agree with that. It is also an undeniable fact that it is better for consumers and for the economy when we have healthy and competitive markets.

    Having said that, I wouldn't personally vote for the Ali expansion act, or any government intervention really. But MMA will absolutely be better once there are multiple competitive organizations. Every fan of MMA should hope that that happens naturally.
     
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    It's hilarious considering we had a bunch of Sherdoggers on here criticizing Mighty Mouse for demanding more money to fight TJ like it was a bad thing. Henry Cejudo took two risky fights and in the end the UFC hasn't rewarded for him for it.
     
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    I heard the gist of what I said from Mike Tyson a few days ago. Do you even understand how little they get paid? In the UFC at any given time there’s only maybe one person who’s getting paid 1 million dollars or more base salary. How many boxers, currently.. make tens of millions of dollars? Be for real. Even with the overhead the difference in pay is too large for that to realistically come into play.

    Dana is a scumbag liar. The pfl pays what.. a million dollars to non household names that the company can’t whore for money and dress up in Reebok? The only thing this difference in pay suggests is that the UFCs ownership is disgusting.

    Mark Hunt isnt a liar.. there’s a reason he and a few others split. They have integrity. They don’t care about being household names. They care about earning a living doing something that injures you, and could easily kill you. That type of risk doesnt come for me 50k against a Romero or a Lesnar. May as well jump in the water with a shark.
     
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    He didn’t beat DJ, TJ got robbed and was drained, and he’s lucky moraes didn’t utilize his energy better. Next legit opponent he faces, he’s fucked.
     
  12. Kono dio da!

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    Ali abdelaziz back at his shenanigans again. Khabib one title defence this calendar year. Kamaru Usman 9 month break. Cejudo whole year. This is not a coincidence. Ali is to blame for this shit. It's too much of coincidence that his Champs are always either injured or unable to defend immediately I get it money talks bs walks but this is ridiculous. One of the reasons I might root for Tony when the time comes.
     
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    The UFC has fighters sign what Northwestern University labor law professor Zev Eigen described as "the worst contract he's ever seen in sports or entertainment."

    Eddie Alvarez's promotional contract became public record and the terms are egregiously one sided, some clauses arguably unenforceable. The UFC can lock up fighters who wish to leave for years, and we've had evidence entered into the record detailing how this was done by Joe Silva.

    It isn't a 1:1 relationship where fighters have advocacy - the rule is "kiss the ring or else." If you chose to fight out your contract, which are generally long and can be dragged out, they make it as miserable as possible for you.

    This is circular logic.

    The only product the UFC has to sell is fights. You cannot operate the company without fighters. So 1:1 the UFC needs fighters the same as fighters need the UFC.

    However, we also know from the pending class action that Zuffa has paid ~15-20% of revenue out as fighter pay. That encompasses all compensation, bonuses, the works.

    That is absolute jabroni pay.

    These guys are trading peanuts for brain damage so that literal billionaires could keep 80% of the money.
     
  14. SuperNerd

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    I am shockeded. Who could have seen this coming?!
     
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    This fool ran a campaign about saving the flyweight division and now he wants to abandon it without ever defending

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    fuck off with that shit, hes the one who chose to be a fighter, it wasnt foisted upon him. Go get a real job if you're not up to it .
     
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  17. Area809

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    I’m not saying the UFC isn’t greedy. Just that using boxing as an example doesn’t make much sense. Very different ways of going about business. The UFC operates more like a sports franchise than a promoter.
     
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  18. randomg1t

    randomg1t EVERYTIME CHAMPION

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    why not?

    what expenses does the UFC have that a boxing promotion doesn't?
     
  19. Area809

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    It should be quite obvious if you follow both sports closely. Think of the amount of people that it takes to operate Golden Boy, vs the amount of people it takes to operate the UFC. Think of the fight cards themselves and the amount of fights the UFC gives you in a night vs what you get from boxing. Take into account TUF, The Contender Series, Dana’s Looking for a Fight, the state of the art UFC performance center, flying around random fighters for promotional purposes, etc. Do you know think Golden Boy or Top Rank is doing any of that?
     
  20. randomg1t

    randomg1t EVERYTIME CHAMPION

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    what are you talking about? boxing fight cards have a comparable number of matches. a few weeks ago, the spence vs porter fight card had 14 fights.

    TUF, the contenders, dana's horsehit... that has nothing to do with fighter pay. those are their side ventures. using that to claim the fighters can't get paid more is like saying "look at dana's house, it's so huge and expensive you can't expect him to raise the payroll"... not to mention those shows make them money. they're either small scale events or a promotional show. you're acting like those are nothing but expenses.

    you don't think boxing promoters fly their fighters around? have you actually followed the promotion of a high profile boxing event, ever?

    it is actually quite obvious if you follow both sports closely. there's no inherent difference in overhead costs when you're organizing a boxing event vs a UFC event. the only difference is the legislature that doesn't allow boxing promoters to strong arm their fighters, and the rules inside the ring. other than that it's the same shit, and this myth that the UFC can't pay their athletes more is based on absolutely nothing.
     

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