Help with finding a self defence MA

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Hey everyone, I have a very specific question, and before everyone piles on me for "another one of these topics!??" I have a very specific set of circumstances and have been mulling questions around and wanted to see what people say.

First off, I am a Psych Nurse, so I deal with the actively psychotic every single day of my life, (I do LOVE my job btw).

Although most people in the world are very nice and peace loving (yes, even when they are psychotic, most people do not become violent), on the odd occasion, they do get agitated and aggressive. As one of the only males on the unit, I am often called to 'de escalate" these people first (security staff will usually scare the patient and make them become physically responsive). Now, since I am usually the one talking to people in crisis like this, I am most likely to be attacked first. This is one of the reasons why I need some sort of self defence.

NOW- the problem I have is that if I

a) Punch them in the face while they are aggressive with me, I will definitely lose my job (therefore striking is not a good option, don't want to develop those 'reflexes').

b) Throw them on the ground so hard that I cause physical damage, ie. broken collar bone, or arm. Again, I will lose my job.

Another aspect of my job is that sometimes with the help of the security staff we need to restrain a patient, or hold them down to receive injections.

So, I am kind of feeling that BJJ would be my best martial art to learn, it has fairly basic take downs that are not over the top powerful (like Judo), and does not have any striking so, I won't accidentally throw a punch when engaged.

What do you all think? Am I wrong, and Judo may be better? I need to be able to put someone on the ground safely, without causing damage, and being able to control them well the ground. I realize that a lot of Judo schools do 50/50 take downs and ground work, rather than 99% ground work like BJJ. I just don't want to take BJJ and be left with my only option to be to pull guard against someone who is actively psychotic.
 
I think that Jiu Jitsu is a good move for you, but you would have to be specific with the instructor on what your focus is.
 
Judo will provide you with the experience of another guy aggressively trying to ragdoll you, which could be invaluable in the situation you describe. Clinching someone and just pinning them against a wall is a pretty common tactic among bouncers, and judo will allow you to be the guy pinning.
 
Judo will provide you with the experience of another guy aggressively trying to ragdoll you, which could be invaluable in the situation you describe. Clinching someone and just pinning them against a wall is a pretty common tactic among bouncers, and judo will allow you to be the guy pinning.

This. The experience of genuine pressure is invaluable.
 
Judo or Jiu Jitsu.

I prefer Jiu Jitsu
 
Judo will provide you with the experience of another guy aggressively trying to ragdoll you, which could be invaluable in the situation you describe. Clinching someone and just pinning them against a wall is a pretty common tactic among bouncers, and judo will allow you to be the guy pinning.

Ja. I'm biased as shit, but I agree.

Another thing is that even though judo does have a focus on high amplitude throws, with enough control, you can throw someone gently without doing any damage.

Depending on where you train BJJ, you could learn some standup grappling to go with the ground fighting, or you could learn next to none. It just depends.
 
Judo gets my vote, simply because you are guaranteed to learn a lot of stand-up grappling in any Judo club, whereas you may or may not learn much stand-up in a BJJ gym, depending on their training style. Footwork means a lot, and you don't get that by midget wrestling. That's assuming you want to focus on standing grappling, though.

That being said, any grappling style teaches you how to become effective at controlling the bodies of other humans. The minor differences in style don't mean that much when compared to the overall mentality and skill set shared by all grapplers. Either one will make you better than you currently are.
 
They teach you approved restraints and techniques. If your job doesn't have these then you are a liability risk.
 
b) Throw them on the ground so hard that I cause physical damage, ie. broken collar bone, or arm. Again, I will lose my job.

So, I am kind of feeling that BJJ would be my best martial art to learn, it has fairly basic take downs that are not over the top powerful (like Judo), and does not have any striking so, I won't accidentally throw a punch when engaged.
Hip throws performed with the arm around the waist can be done with a gentle landing.
 
Either bjj or judo would be fine, wrestling 2 but it can be hard to find a club. The club is more important then the art - theres only going to be a limited number in a commutable area around you all with different styles and atmospheres, assuming its legit whatever you like the best is the best.

I'd also suggest running a novice lifting program like starting strength if you haven't already. People are so much easier to move around once you maxed out your noob gains.

If you post up where abouts you want to train someone can prob tell you what your local options are.
 
judo

cheaper, good takedowns, good pins on ground, less classes, higher risk of injury

bjj

expensive, crap takedowns, good ground control, more classes, handy if there are some midgets walking about for a bit of knee wrestling.
 
Effectively pinning someone is the most important part of the physical skills, and having enough awareness to do so without causing panic or hyperventilation.

One of my roommates did that job is a very bad hospital for a decade. He had to pin people regularly, and the two times he almost died were when he got knocked on his ass by very large patients who got on top of him. Taking down patients was relatively easy, because he had a shujiao background, but he was clueless on the ground. He was pinned under a 400lb man trying to beat him to death for 10 minutes before he remembered that I had shown him foot-on-hips to technical standup. If he had basic guard retention he could have gotten out of that without a concussion.
 
I have a friend and former training partner who used to work in the same type of environment, and she used her judo training very successfully. As long as your judo club includes some groundwork, and doesn't just teach you to turtle up, you should be good to go.
 
Thanks everyone for the replys. The BJJ place (Alliance bjj waterloo) in my area is actually quite a lot cheaper than the Judo clubs in my area, so I think I will go with that for the time being. Wish me luck :)
 
Either wrestling or judo, something that emphasises maintaining positive control over the opponent from neutral to the ground.
 
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