Heavyweight is a joke

Then why is he gaining all that extra weight to move up to HW? He’s 220-230 in the cage. He’s already a heavyweight. Why would he need all that extra weight to fight at HW? He should be able to walk straight in and take the title.

Why don’t all the LHWs move up, crush all these unskilled fatties and get the bag? They all really like dieting and cutting weight? Liver damage is their jam?
Champ and top guys are not unskilled fatties, and regarding Jones, he is just playing games, imo his best version would be around 235lbs, adding more will be detrimental to his game imo.
 
Thats not true. The problem is there ARE skilled heavyweights, gane, stipe, DC, fedor, big nog, cro cop, werdum are all skilled heavyweights. Smaller fighters knock each other out if they land too, its just that they are less prone to throwing wreckless because they are skilled. Stop defending brawlers like tai and lewis, they are just not skilled and have lots of knockouts because they fight lots of other brawler style HWs. But 9 outta 10 times when they fight a more skilled fighter they get embarrassed.

The disparity in skill in HW is pretty huge.

If a guy is big and athletic, hes not going into MMA , hes going into a high paying sport.

DC effortlessly walked through HW, he never even lost a round till he went to LHW.

You only have to look at the agility and coordination of many HWs, Pride was shockingly bad.

But one punch from an sloppy 255lb man will send anyone to sleep
 
That's bollocks, there's at least 15 over HW and LHW who would starch him.
I even think some MWs would maul Tai if they use a grappling heavy gameplan. I think Anthony Smith could choke out Tai to tell you the truth.
 
Each time there's such a thread, it's often made by an insecure Fedor fanboy.

Ngannou literrally destroyed all the so-called legends.

UFC is more popular than ever and pays more money.

Obviously the level is higher nowadays.

Not to mention that modern UFC fighters have to deal with USADA.
 
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What point?
"The Force is slow in this one..."

You proved my point by saying that he never had a problem "making weight". How do you "make weight"? You cut down from the weight class above. So he is a natural HW who cuts to duck the HW division.
 
Of course because at heavyweight, they are the biggest guys so power matters. But at the top tier, theres no excuse for going in there so 1 dimensional over and over, its lack of professionalism tbh.
A lack of professionalism, maybe, but more a lack of "skilled guys" with balls to test them. How many LHW's and MW's might fare well in the HW division if they didn't cut weight to duck the big guys? Fedor was a perfect example of the skilled smaller guy taking on the big guys. Throughout his career, he has been smaller than jon jones, Costa, Anthony Johnson (RHS), Rampage Jackson, Chuck Lidell, Tito Ortiz, Anthony Peirera and the list goes on.

Overall, if the big right hand wins you fights against most guys you face, why fix it if it ain't broke.
 
Lewis can do more than punch buddy. Also his defensive wrestling is top notch. His timing is great as well. Timing that uppercut as Blaydes shot in was amazing.

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So He has thrown a few kicks, sure. But 99% of his attacks are just swinging wild bombs. I can’t remember a time where he showed any combinations, slick boxing defense or any respectable grappling or any new aspect to his game.
 
"The Force is slow in this one..."

You proved my point by saying that he never had a problem "making weight". How do you "make weight"? You cut down from the weight class above. So he is a natural HW who cuts to duck the HW division.


So every non HW is ducking?


Because there isn't a single one who fights at their walk arounfd weight.
 
Being 206lbs makes you a Heavyweight, some MW's go over that on fight night...220lbs is on the lower end of what LHW's usually fight at.
You are exactly right, 206 DOES make you a heavyweight but if you are too chickenshit to face guys in your true weight class, you cut and duck. The "everybody does it" excuse doesn't make you less of a coward. Usually, the response I get is "would you call an MMA fighter a coward to his face" and the answer is yes. They know what they are doing and all of the rationalizing in the world doesn't change the fact that they are trying to gain an advantage over their opponent that doesn't involve skill.
 
The disparity in skill in HW is pretty huge.

If a guy is big and athletic, hes not going into MMA , hes going into a high paying sport.

DC effortlessly walked through HW, he never even lost a round till he went to LHW.

You only have to look at the agility and coordination of many HWs, Pride was shockingly bad.

But one punch from an sloppy 255lb man will send anyone to sleep
That's why the guys with the smaller pairs go running to the sauna...
 
A lack of professionalism, maybe, but more a lack of "skilled guys" with balls to test them. How many LHW's and MW's might fare well in the HW division if they didn't cut weight to duck the big guys? Fedor was a perfect example of the skilled smaller guy taking on the big guys. Throughout his career, he has been smaller than jon jones, Costa, Anthony Johnson (RHS), Rampage Jackson, Chuck Lidell, Tito Ortiz, Anthony Peirera and the list goes on.

Overall, if the big right hand wins you fights against most guys you face, why fix it if it ain't broke.
Lol but it is broken, tai and lewis have been getting whooped. Watch DC vs Lewis, it was an embarrassingly easy win for DC. The big right hand works when most the other guys in the division are all doing that same tactic of “throw and hope”.

Their only weapon to win is waiting for the big punch to land. Respect to them for stepping in and throwing down, but they arent good. We want to watch the best, not just a crazy brawl, that style can be seen at any lower level events.
 
That's why the guys with the smaller pairs go running to the sauna...
No stupid, because mass matters.

Bantam weights are far more athletic and skilled than heavier men, but it only takes one hit.

Evident you've never engaged in sports.

Thats why combat sports uses weight classes dummy.
 
Basically, it is wasted effort to heavily train grappling or BJJ or much of any ground game. You can be theist technical, well versed fighter on the planet and be slept with 1 punch. Your BJJ ain't going to do shit when someone's 10lb fist is breaking your jaw.

Plus these fighters probably feel the expectation to win by KO, because that's what HWs do. So they are swinging for the fences and then get in these wild exchanges and then it turns to fighting "for your life(in the ring)".

Gane is technical, and got flash KO'd by Tuivasa and was seconds from losing. I know he came back to win the fight but his technical striking didn't matter when the other person landed.
 
It’s arguably the weakest mens division, but there are some bright prospects. However with how shallow the roster is I imagine we’ll see many more rematches between each contender in the near future. On the bright side, a lot of these HW’s are fun to watch despite their seeming lack of well roundedness.
 
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