Haven't watched a lot of Shlemenko fights, his ground game

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  1. BayStyles

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    Is that normal of him to be that vulnerable on the ground? Was it the size difference? Has he never been tested on the ground in his countless Bellator fights/victories?
     
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    Having a guy your own size on you is tough enough. Tito was huge. He's also underrated. Sure he lost a lot for awhile there, but he did beat Bader and did pretty well against Forrest here somewhat recently. So what right? Well he was fighting well against top 10-15 LHWs, so why not do better against an untested top 15-20 MW? Only Anderson Silva can pick fights with b-tier LHWs and get away with it, from what I can tell.
     
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    Yes. He has been tested on the ground...

    Fact is, it's never been great but typically he can hold his own and even pull a nice sub out of his ass sometimes. There is the Hess fight. The Lombard fight. Some of the Ward fight if you want to see some of his ground fighting.

    He certainly isn't on Tito Ortiz level on the ground, even when you take away such a drastic size advantage.

    No secrets about Shlemenko...he's a dynamic striker, who is relentless but that's pretty much it. He's not great, he's solid and entertaining...it's amazing so many people didn't consider the idea of "What if Tito takes him down"...no way Shlemenko was going to outgrapple Tito and there was never a time when it was easy to "get up" from under Tito. It's well understood from everybody who has battered or been battered by Tito is that getting put on your ass isn't a viable option...add in a huge size disadvantage
     
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    lol are you kidding me, Tito dwarfed Alex.

    Alex tried to explode with his hips and couldnt even budge Tito.
     
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    The Russian guys with striking backgrounds seem to have a lacking ground game in many cases, Shah's loss really bummed me out too.
     
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    tito always was a massive lhw and shlemenko is a small mw
     
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    Tito's size wasn't that big a factor when you consider shlemenko was holding a shitty guillotine while in bottom side control.

    Tito could have been 20 lbs lighter, he would have still choked him out in that position either with an arm triangle or a von flue.
     
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    Tito has very underrated ground game as well.

    Watch his old ADCC videos. Nearly choked out Rashad twice, almost triangled Machida.

    He's legit!
     
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    I agree with this. Shlemenko has never had a great ground game. Size mattered on the TD sure, but not on the choke.

    I always kind of felt that Bellator had a MW division lacking in quality wrestlers, but then again the UFC MW division has never been wrestler heavy either.
     
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    There looked like there was 3 weight classes of difference between Tito and Shlemenko. He looked like a LW in there against Tito. You get a guy that much bigger on top of you in side control and you're in major trouble.
     
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    But would Tito have gained that top side control without that size advantage? It's not like he hit some beautiful, technical takedown. He basically just belly flopped onto him.
     
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    But the OPs question was whether or not Shlemenkos vulnerability on the ground was due to the size difference.

    Regardless, Tito exposed how rudimentary Shlemenkos ground game is. He may be able to stop some take downs at MW, but against top guys, I think you'll find a bunch of dudes who can take him down consistently. And when they do, the glaring holes in his ground game with surface once again.
     
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    TRT Ortiz is no joke. People forget he's pretty strong and has some good subs. Doesn't help his opponent's at least two weight classes down.
     
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    He's a talented striker with decent ground game, but Tito was fucking huge. dwarfed him in every aspect.
     
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    Have to remember as well who Tito is, a great MMA wrestler who has only lost to top 10 LHWs, in there fighting a MW striker...
     
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    Real question is when is Minakov fighting Eddie Alvarez????
     

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