Hate Crime: Policing Thought

[Philo-Publius]

Providing different sentences for "hate crimes" was always a 1st amendment violation. I don't understand how "hate crimes" have held up as constitutional in our court system. I think many people looked the other way because previously hate crimes were only accompanied by violent crimes. However, if you commit a crime, the charge and potential sentencing should be the same regardless of motive, otherwise you are policing someone's thought (and in many cases assuming their thought process). Thought is never illegal though, as it is intertwined with protected free speech.

The couple below painted over a "Black Lives Matter" mural, and they were charged with a "hate crime." Their only real crime might be "vandalism," which isn't exactly in short supply these days. This is grossly unconstitutional, but that is the world we live in today:


https://www.theblaze.com/news/marti...qfOlfB8Z_OtkKmcWMrb0q53XAdbQZJMBdOdRiD_LomfJU

"Today, the Contra Costa County District Attorney's Office charged Nichole Anderson (42-years old Martinez resident) and David Nelson (53-years-old Martinez resident) with three misdemeanor counts, including a hate crime, for their alleged actions on Saturday, July 4, when defendant Anderson covered up a Black Lives Matter mural with black paint," read the statement.

 

[Falsedawn]

They should not have painted over the mural, it was the wrong thing to do.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

They should’ve been a little more creative and added an o.

black olives matter!

 

[brother mouzone]

Yeah this is a ridiculous case. It's obviously not a hate crime to vandalize some Marxist organizations graffiti, even if it was state authorized

 

[BIKES!]

The fact this is a hate crime shows how disgusting and fascist liberal cesspools like the Bay Area are.

 

[Gunny]

In before pan can see no problem with this

 

[BIKES!]

They should’ve been a little more creative and added an o.

black olives matter!

Or more appropriately just erased the V so the message is honest about the intentions.

 

[moosaev]

Conservatives on Hate crime legislation: Don't police my thoughts! First amendment!

Conservatives on Kaepernick kneeling for the national anthem: How dare you insult the troops! I will boycott any team and apparel company that hires you!

PS, before you say its different because public vs private, the principle remains the same. Conservatives get their panties in a bunch about cancel culture except when they cancel people like Kaepernick or anyone they deem insufficiently patriotic. The reason this country is falling apart is because of bad faith arguments and selective application of principles.

 

[The Stoat]

You can't paint the streets without permission from the local government. It's vandalism but not a hate crime. They even said "all lives matter."

Hate crime legislation is dumb, the actions are what matters.

 

[reveler]

the concept of what makes a "mural" as opposed to vandalism is foreign to me. if the city sanctions what is painted on the roads, i guess they can technically claim that private citizens cant paint over it. but like the TS said, it is then a question of just vandalism.

the left is showing its ass by calling it a hate crime. they are essentially admitting that the message is inherently political. public offices shouldnt endorse political messages while preventing others from endorsing different political messages. cities shouldn't paint pro life or pro choice messages, and prevent others from removing them, for example.

 

[Bwagster]

I'm so sick and tired of this b.s. How hard is it to figure out that BLM is a political organization. They don't care about black lives, they care about getting Trump out of office. Enjoy your Marxism and socialism America, you've earned it. SMDH

 

[Kandyland]

Conservatives on Hate crime legislation: Don't police my thoughts! First amendment!

Conservatives on Kaepernick kneeling for the national anthem: How dare you insult the troops! I will boycott any team and apparel company that hires you!

PS, before you say its different because public vs private, the principle remains the same. Conservatives get their panties in a bunch about cancel culture except when they cancel people like Kaepernick or anyone they deem insufficiently patriotic. The reason this country is falling apart is because of bad faith arguments and selective application of principles.

You're kinda of a dumb ass, so I'm not surprised you have yet to crack 100 likes.

You're comparing apples to oranges and your TDS inspired excuse as to why they aren't is hilarious.

1) Hate Crime is an actual law that can get you jail time.

2) Kaepernick is free to protest but not free from criticism. Nobody is getting jail time.

I bet you typed that thinking you had a "gotcha", instead, you failed miserably.

These two things aren't even comparable. Are you retarded? Try to keep up bud.

 

[Mamba Mentality]

They should not have painted over the mural, it was the wrong thing to do.

Wrong.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Actively stating that white lives don't matter -> promotion.
Painting over black lives matter -> hate crime.

People who defend this shit are sick in the head.


Edit: It is hilarious that they painted over the yellow parts only it seems. That wouldn't remove the lettering, it would just read 'black lives matter' in a dark font.

 

[moosaev]

You're kinda of a dumb ass, so I'm not surprised you have yet to crack 100 likes.

You're comparing apples to oranges and your TDS inspired excuse as to why they aren't is hilarious.

1) Hate Crime is an actual law that can get you jail time.

2) Kaepernick is free to protest but not free from criticism. Nobody is getting jail time.

I bet you typed that thinking you had a "gotcha", instead, you failed miserably.

These two things aren't even comparable. Are you retarded? Try to keep up bud.

1. If your idea of judging someone's merit is "likes" I feel sorry for you, very indicative of the shallow social media driven world we live in. Regardless, i post in boxing and mma and have thousands of likes in those forums.

2. My PS addressed your "apples and oranges" point, and you're a complete dumbass for ignoring or not understanding it.

3. Anybody who begins a response with insulting the other person (who they've never engaged with) really has nothing to contribute and is mostly out than to get positive re-enforcement for their own beliefs.

 

[nostradumbass]

Conservatives on Hate crime legislation: Don't police my thoughts! First amendment!

Conservatives on Kaepernick kneeling for the national anthem: How dare you insult the troops! I will boycott any team and apparel company that hires you!

PS, before you say its different because public vs private, the principle remains the same. Conservatives get their panties in a bunch about cancel culture except when they cancel people like Kaepernick or anyone they deem insufficiently patriotic. The reason this country is falling apart is because of bad faith arguments and selective application of principles.

Hard to imagine a dumber post.

Yes, hate crime charges for not supporting a marxist political organization and not going to a celebrity's sports game, pretty much the same thing. You'd probably agree that burning a confederate flag should also be a hate crime, right?

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Providing different sentences for "hate crimes" was always a 1st amendment violation. I don't understand how "hate crimes" have held up as constitutional in our court system. I think many people looked the other way because previously hate crimes were only accompanied by violent crimes. However, if you commit a crime, the charge and potential sentencing should be the same regardless of motive, otherwise you are policing someone's thought (and in many cases assuming their thought process). Thought is never illegal though, as it is intertwined with free speech.

The couple below painted over a "Black Lives Matter" mural, and they were charged with a "hate crime." Their only real crime might be "vandalism," which isn't exactly in short supply these days. This is grossly unconstitutional, but that is the world we live in today:


https://www.theblaze.com/news/marti...qfOlfB8Z_OtkKmcWMrb0q53XAdbQZJMBdOdRiD_LomfJU

How the fuck is thought never illegal? How can you explain how we get convictions on ANY intent based crime (1st degree murder, rape, battery, etc) if thought based crimes are illegal? The whole mens rea concept

 

[lowlife]

The reason this country is falling apart is because of bad faith arguments and selective application of principles.

Indeed. And if sherdog is a microcosm of society at large, we are doomed.

 

[moosaev]

Hard to imagine a dumber post.

Yes, hate crime charges for not supporting a marxist political organization and not going to a celebrity's sports game, pretty much the same thing. You'd probably agree that burning a confederate flag should also be a hate crime, right?

I addressed that in my PS you dumbass. Are conservatives allergic to reading? Conservatives are only pro free speech when its conservative speech, that's the long and short of it. Goodbye.

 

[nostradumbass]

I addressed that in my PS you dumbass. Are conservatives allergic to reading? Conservatives are only pro free speech when its conservative speech, that's the long and short of it. Goodbye.

Yeah, you made it clear that you think criminal penalties for thought is the same as not going to a celebrity's sports game for actions because they don't want to pay to watch a protest. It was just unbelievably retarded.