Has was Riddick Bowe a shot fighter at 29

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Was it his bad eating habits? Or his body just wasn't made for combat?
 
God-given talented fighter, god-awful training discipline.
 
He had great talent, he wasn't physically washed at 29, he was just a highly skilled fighter who didn't give a fuck about the whole exercise thing and didn't have the mental discipline to realize what he could've been had he stayed in shape and kept his head together.
 
stephen90 said:
Was it his bad eating habits? Or his body just wasn't made for combat?
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everyone is different, some people can take more abuse than others, it's that simple. Holyfield had a million wars and he still speaks better than bowe. Ali took tons of abuse but he most likely didn't take as much as many people who ended up better off, you just never can tell how things are going to turn out. Some guys get cut easier, some get kayoed easier, some get permanently damaged easier.
 
mozfonky said:
everyone is different, some people can take more abuse than others, it's that simple. Holyfield had a million wars and he still speaks better than bowe. Ali took tons of abuse but he most likely didn't take as much as many people who ended up better off, you just never can tell how things are going to turn out. Some guys get cut easier, some get kayoed easier, some get permanently damaged easier.
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Holyfield is fucked in the head. You can hear it in his speech, how he talks, and the biggest thing to me is his eyes. Every fighter that has bench wear has that same look in their eyes. It is like a deep stare like when you ask a second grader "what's fifteen plus nineteen?"
 
All training ethics put aside, the guy took quite some punishment in the 3 Holyfield and the 2 Golota fights.
 
Riddick was actually starting to sound a little punchy even before his first fight with Holyfield. Then he had a handfull of real wars in the ring. No wonder he was done so early.
 
Some people live for the buzz, regardless of how they get it, they degrade quicker.
 
It was the golota fights. Esoecially the 2nd.Before the fight he was quick witted and the post fight interview he was mumbling and was pretty incoherent and stayed that way.
I can't really remember that happening to a guy night and day after a fight.
 
Before speedballing Bowe's nuts Golota landed an awful lot of combos. I agree on the Golota fights taking more of a toll on him


chiefwiggum said:
It was the golota fights. Esoecially the 2nd.Before the fight he was quick witted and the post fight interview he was mumbling and was pretty incoherent and stayed that way.
I can't really remember that happening to a guy night and day after a fight.
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He just wasnt as good as people like to think he was

Other than his wins against Holyfield, his resume is disgraceful for someone who is regarded as such a good fighter

Other than Holyfield, Rock Newman took him on a ride that included such greats as Herbie Hide, Larry Donald, Jorge Gonazlez, Jesse Ferguson and Buster Mathis Jr

In a decade where it was hard to bring good fighters together(heavyweights anyway), he just didnt have the desire to fight anyone who was a threat and decided to travel the country on a bus eating fast food
 
Prefect said:
Holyfield is fucked in the head. You can hear it in his speech, how he talks, and the biggest thing to me is his eyes. Every fighter that has bench wear has that same look in their eyes. It is like a deep stare like when you ask a second grader "what's fifteen plus nineteen?"
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maybe, he ain't as bad as Bowe though. Problem with even being able to tell with some guys is that they never did speak well to begin with. Joe Frazier was country, he spoke country so of course his version of english wouldn't be the same as Ali's, but it's obvious how Joe spoke a lot different by the mid 70's. speech doesn't always tell you everything either, one of my old trainers told me that he met Marvin Hagler, he said he had damage, I said "his speech is fine, i don't think so" he said "not speech, his eyes, very sleepy" which is true with boxers I see, it's like there is some disruption in their brainwaves, and they seem to come and go, it's sad really and frightening that men continue to fight in that condition. Hell, Ali was well on the way to dementia/parkinson's or whatever they tried to call it before he took that hellacious beating from Holmes. As far as Holyfield, he never strikes me as someone with lots of problems, other people seem to think they see it, and he certainly had more than enough wars. One thing for certain, many boxers are fine until they hit their last few years. Willie Pep was sharp as a tack, Ingemar Johannsen was sharp, many, many more and they fell off a cliff in their final years. My theory is that the damage that happens magnifies with age. George Chuvalo always sounds way better than you have any right to expect, but I would not be surprised if his last couple years are in a fog.
 
Sir Punchalot said:
Riddick was actually starting to sound a little punchy even before his first fight with Holyfield. Then he had a handfull of real wars in the ring. No wonder he was done so early.
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he was, he really was, Larry Merchant mentioned that he had some wars before the Holyfield fights but he didn't mention which fights those were. After the second golota fight, a fight he looked like death warmed over before it even started, a fight where he lost over 50 pounds and got down to 235 thinking he'd be as good as he was when he weighed that vs. Holyfield in the first fight, instead he was emaciated, dehydrated, taking nutritional advice from kook Dick Gregory. He sounded a little puncy before the second fight, immediately after it he sounded terrible, even today he sounds better than he sounded after that fight.
 
one more thing, although Bowe deserves credit for his ability, I thought at the time that he did not deserve the accolades he recieved "best heavyweight in the world" which many writers/announcers stated he was. I assume that they were just hyping him up because it was good for business because outside of the first Holyfield fight, he rarely looked good, he usually struggled with his weight and his opponents. His poor training made Eddie Futch jump ship before the second Golota fight, Eddie had a lot of patience so that tells you something.
 
Dodging Lewis says it all. Lennox would have kod him and Riddick knew it...
 
Prefect said:
Holyfield is fucked in the head. You can hear it in his speech, how he talks, and the biggest thing to me is his eyes. Every fighter that has bench wear has that same look in their eyes. It is like a deep stare like when you ask a second grader "what's fifteen plus nineteen?"
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Holyfield has been sounding much more clear and cogent as of late... compared to when he first hung them up he sounds a lot better.
 
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