Has MMA devolved if Khabib is considered p4p best?

[moonwolf]

It would take a lunatic to think Khabib is better than Jon Jones. A complete lunatic.

Competition Jon Jones has faced is incomparablly higher. Jon Jones is once in a life time fighter.

Khabib is getting overhyped in my opinion.

you say that like khabib has a choice in the quality of his opponents (at least in the UFC).
jones has been in the ufc for 11 years,
khabib has been in for 7.
of course jon has faced higher competition, he's had more time to work through the division and take on new challengers.
tell jon to stop fighting momentarily and let khabib catch up w/ another 8+ fights and then we can revisit your argument.

 

[Zolid]

I honestly think he is behind Jones at the moment, but when he beats Tony and maybe Justin I could see it would be obvious.
As far as one dimensional, his wrestling and Judo are top notch, his submission game is excellent, nobody has out struck him and he seems to be very hard to hit. Sounds complete to me.

that people still count in a cheater in the goat discussion is mindblowing

 

[WHITE ANDERSON]

eh, GSP was one once in a world history athlete

guys have taken up his style as a model, but it usually means they are competent everywhere but excellent at nothing. rory macdonald is a good example of this

also, fighters have gotten much better at stopping takedowns in open space. basically no one does this anymore the way that athletic wresleboxers used to do it in GSP's prime
now it's all about chain wrestling up against the fence

so the fact that fighters have gotten competent in all facets of the game means a specialist will have a better chance of winning in his or her particular discipline.

 

[Blunted_Trauma]

This is not a khabib bashing thread.

Merely stating the difference between a Jon Jones type versus Khabib when discussing p4p

 

[Iron Nick]

It would take a lunatic to think Khabib is better than Jon Jones. A complete lunatic.

Competition Jon Jones has faced is incomparablly higher. Jon Jones is once in a life time fighter.

Khabib is getting overhyped in my opinion.

To be fair though, Khabibs recent competition has been way better than Jones recent competition and the talent pool in lightweight is vastly bigger as well.

 

[JustOnce]

you say that like khabib has a choice in the quality of his opponents (at least in the UFC).
jones has been in the ufc for 11 years,
khabib has been in for 7.
of course jon has faced higher competition, he's had more time to work through the division and take on new challengers.
tell jon to stop fighting momentarily and let khabib catch up w/ another 8+ fights and then we can revisit your argument.

Jon Jones is the most talented fighter in the history of MMA, so far anyways in my opinion. Pound for pound best there has ever been.

Khabib, well, I don't know exactly what to say about him, but that's not THAT.

 

[grimballer]

N yet one dimensional khabib has 6 finishes in 12 ufc wins

Compared to well rounded gsp who has 8 finishes in 20 ufc wins

 

[Blunted_Trauma]

eh, GSP was one once in a world history athlete

guys have taken up his style as a model, but it usually means they are competent everywhere but excellent at nothing. rory macdonald is a good example of this

also, fighters have gotten much better at stopping takedowns in open space. basically no one does this anymore the way that athletic wresleboxers used to do it in GSP's prime
now it's all about chain wrestling up against the fence

so the fact that fighters have gotten competent in all facets of the game means a specialist will have a better chance of winning in his or her particular discipline.

Excellent post

 

[Noraaq]

Khabibs grappling is just far better than anyone else we've ever seen in MMA history. He also has great distance control, solid jab, and some power to keep opponents honest. He really is as he once said, the Floyd Mayweather of MMA. Pure dominance and takes barely any damage

 

[Iron Nick]

I agree.

However as the sport evolves wouldnt one expect that the p4p best would be someone who is exceptional everywhere. The consummate fighter if you will? In 20 years will the p4p best be someone who is specialized in one aspect, uses good strategy and barely proficient in other areas.

I see what you mean, but as someone else has already pointed out, it's nearly impossible to be exceptional everywhere.

 

[JustOnce]

To be fair though, Khabibs recent competition has been way better than Jones recent competition and the talent pool in lightweight is vastly bigger as well.

yeah cuz Jones is fightiing Santos. But Poirer isn't much better than Santos in my opinion.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

I agree.

However as the sport evolves wouldnt one expect that the p4p best would be someone who is exceptional everywhere. The consummate fighter if you will? In 20 years will the p4p best be someone who is specialized in one aspect, uses good strategy and barely proficient in other areas.

Good possibility. Remember body types and dimensions have a factor on how a fighter fights.

 

[grimballer]

I agree.

However as the sport evolves wouldnt one expect that the p4p best would be someone who is exceptional everywhere. The consummate fighter if you will? In 20 years will the p4p best be someone who is specialized in one aspect, uses good strategy and barely proficient in other areas.

If anything it just shows how good khabib is n how much better he is compared to the competition he’s facing.

One thing that gets better with time is level of competition.

Overall fighters get better n more well rounded.

Dominant fighters from a decade ago like chuck or Hughes wouldn’t be as dominant today cause their style got old n “figured out”

Even someone like gsp wouldn’t be as dominant as he was mostly facing non ww by today’s standards n one dimensional fighters.

 

[TR1]

It would take a lunatic to think Khabib is better than Jon Jones. A complete lunatic.

Competition Jon Jones has faced is incomparablly higher. Jon Jones is once in a life time fighter.

Khabib is getting overhyped in my opinion.

Jone's recent competition has been weak as shit.

 

[TR1]

Jon Jones is the most talented fighter in the history of MMA, so far anyways in my opinion. Pound for pound best there has ever been.

Khabib, well, I don't know exactly what to say about him, but that's not THAT.

Khabib also doesn't roid as furiously as Jones does, nor does he fight guys a head shorter than him.

Those things can make a difference.

 

[HHJ]

GODS what a shitty thread.

 

[Wolf Of Sherdog]

Mma devolved after pride. Need to bring back atleast knees on the ground so leg humpers cant just go for shitty takedowns without worrying about defending

 

[Iron Nick]

yeah cuz Jones is fightiing Santos. But Poirer isn't much better than Santos in my opinion.

Jones last three opponents have a combined record of 71-27, while Khabibs last three opponents have a record of 60-15. Khabibs mentioned opponents also include a former light- and featherweight champion with Conor McGregor.
Regarding Poirer and Santos: Poirier is now 25-6 while Santos is 21-7. Poirier also has beaten names like Gaethje, Holloway and Alvarez, while the best opponents on Santos' resume are probably Blachowicz and Smith.
I like both, but i think Poirier is definitely better than Santos.

 

[Hirashin]

He smashed your chicken!

 

[RetiredSlave]

Khabib, Jones and Stipe are all physical freaks. Its becoming as much about physicality as skill imo.