Has MMA devolved if Khabib is considered p4p best?

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  1. Blunted_Trauma

    Blunted_Trauma White Belt Platinum Member

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    It appears that the pendulum has swung once again. There was a time where pure BJJ reigned supreme and dominated. As MMA evolved, strikers became better grapplers and grapplers became better strikers.

    GSP represented a hybrid breed that blended both well and it seemed that this was the prototype that the sport was producing.

    Sure some specialists popped up here and there, like Demian Maia, but his inability to take down top competition somewhat exposed his weakness.

    The randy couture or khabib style rooted in good control and just enough striking proficiency to open up for takedowns seems to be the best combination.

    You would think the p4p best would be well versed everywhere.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Danespina Gold Belt

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    Strikers became 'better' when UFC fired the likes of Phil Davis, Jon Fitch, Jake Shields, Yushin Okami, Jared Rosholt, and Ryan Bader for no other reason than they were boring -- as well as stopped hiring anyone who was like them.
     
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    ovbious Brown Belt

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    no

    dude is a beast
     
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    Huligani Number One Bullshit

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    I honestly think he is behind Jones at the moment, but when he beats Tony and maybe Justin I could see it would be obvious.
    As far as one dimensional, his wrestling and Judo are top notch, his submission game is excellent, nobody has out struck him and he seems to be very hard to hit. Sounds complete to me.
     
  7. Bend NvR Break

    Bend NvR Break Order to Chaos. Chaos to Order.

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    It will always be better to specialize in one area of fighting while working on the other aspects of fighting with the goal of maximizing the chances the fight takes place in that fighter's preferred part of the wheelhouse.
     
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    There will ALWAYS be room for specialists in MMA

    only dumbasses who never turained think the whole "Hory Macdonald started MMA as a kid" type of fighters were gonna flood the game. Thatd make them ironically just as basic as the specialists were when the UFC first started.

    We'll always need a mix of both.
     
  9. Area809

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    I mean, you have more guys that predominantly come out to strike, but people don’t make threads about that. Conor, Justin, Wonderboy, Dustin, Robbie, etc. Not everyone is GSP. Smart fighters take advantage of their strengths.
     
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    Blunted_Trauma White Belt Platinum Member

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    I agree.

    However as the sport evolves wouldnt one expect that the p4p best would be someone who is exceptional everywhere. The consummate fighter if you will? In 20 years will the p4p best be someone who is specialized in one aspect, uses good strategy and barely proficient in other areas.
     
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    toutadixballes Playing touch butt in a park

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    Just compare Khabib and Askren to understand that Khabib is more well rounded than you think, TS.
    He has a good foot work, understand really well distance management, and really hard to hit.
     
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    Blunted_Trauma White Belt Platinum Member

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    Look at the likes of Jon Jones, Demetrius Johnson, and GSP.
     
  13. Blunted_Trauma

    Blunted_Trauma White Belt Platinum Member

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    I dont need to be sold on Khabib.

    Askren is like a customizable fighter in a videogame where you put all his strength in wrestling and forget to add anything anywhere else.
     
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    Not devolved, just come full circle. Big difference.

    and for the most part the talent is better this time around

    Khabib > Randy
     
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    toutadixballes Playing touch butt in a park

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    Yeah that's Askren.

    Khabib is a great wrestler, a great judoka and a good submission artist too.
    Plus he's an over the top defensive striker too.
    He's well rounded, a striker with a good takedown defense is considered as well rounded, there is a bias against grapplers in the MMA community.
     
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    the best fighter will always be the one who is amazing at one thing and learns everything else well enough to circle back to his strength as needed.
     
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    It might remain the same due to limitations of body type, temperament and time. I think it is very hard to get exceptionally good at one discipline let alone 3 or 4.
     
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    Totally agree. For every hour Rory spent training wrestling in between other disciplines, someone like Usman has probably spent hundredson of hours on just wrestling alone.
     
  19. JustOnce

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    It would take a lunatic to think Khabib is better than Jon Jones. A complete lunatic.

    Competition Jon Jones has faced is incomparablly higher. Jon Jones is once in a life time fighter.

    Khabib is getting overhyped in my opinion.
     
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    jones stops striking and reverts back to wrestling when he is outclassed/underpowered,
    DJ lost to a dominant wrestler,
    GSP learned wrestling as a secondary skill but then turned it into his dominant skill.
     
  21. Area809

    Area809 Black Belt

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    Totally agree.
    People who say Khabib is not well rounded are not paying attention. Sure, his striking is not pretty, but it’s effective for what he needs. There are plenty of pro boxers whose styles seem awkward but worked for them.
     
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