Has Conor Improved Or Was Cowboy An Easy Match-Up?

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  1. pcbh167 Blue Belt

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    Conor looked amazing against Cowboy, but Cowboy seems to struggle against Southpaws. Nate Diaz and Darren Till had the performance of their lives against him and they're both Southpaws.

    Also, everyone wants to see Conor rematch Khabib just because he had an amazing performance against Cowboy, but Khabib actually knows how to fight Southpaws, which is why Conor wasn't able to do what he did to Cowboy to Khabib.

    I could be wrong and it would be great if Conor is Conor 2.0 now but I need to see him fight someone who actually knows how to fight against Southpaws.
     
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    Well, both.
     
  3. SHAZAM Brown Belt

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    How the fuck can we tell?
     
  4. Stalingrad9 Purple Belt

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    Both.

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  5. HoFF Full Send Banned

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    Conor 2.0..

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  6. rjmbrd Gold Belt

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    Cowboy got his 3rd consecutive stoppage loss in a row, on his 4-6 current run.

    Next question

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  7. RoJo303 Banned Banned

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    Pro Logic would say: Conor improved. He is GOAT now.
    Hitto would say: Cowboy is terrible now. Conman is irrelevant.
    Reality dictates: Conor was always a bad match up for Cowboy and also very likely improved in areas of his game with time off and practice.
     
  8. CrimsonFan Gold Belt

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    Cowboy threw the fight..
     
  9. RoJo303 Banned Banned

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    Devil's in the details tho:

    Losses versus:

    1) Till: fought for the title one fight after he beat Cowboy and just BTFO interim title challenger Gastelum at 185
    2). Lawler: Just lost the title after Cowboy fought him and many thought Cowboy won
    3). Leon Edwards: Arguably next for the title and Cowboy gave him a tough five round fight
    4). Masvidal: BMF Champ and arguably fighting next for the title
    5). Ferguson: Fighting for the title and interim champ
    6). Gaethje: WSOF champ and arguably fighting for the title next after Tony
    7). Conor: Lineal FW, only lineal UFC champ-champ and fighting for the whatever he wants next

    Yeah, they are "losses" but only against guys that are champ material. Cowboy is still and excellent gatekeeper to contender and champion status and has just as recent cleaned out hype machines like Perry at 170 Hernandez.
     
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    Neither, he just wasnt fighting khabib or the greatest boxer of our generation.

    Rematch with khabib will probably look different as well assuming hes not injured
     
  11. kflo Titanium Belt

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    cowboy had 1 bad performance in his prior 8, against gaethje, who has alot of power, before fighting conor, including a dominant win over the #4 ranked iaquinta 8 months ago.
     
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    Hope he threw alcohol too...
     
  13. rjmbrd Gold Belt

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    I don't disagree with you. The point remains indisputable that he was coming of 2 consecutive stoppage losses, the most recent only a few months earlier. I'm not even sure how he was cleared in time to resume full contact to train for the Conor fight.

    Now you did a good job explaining away how Cowboy is riding a current 4-7 streak, with 3 losses in a row. The best way to describe this is exactly how it is at face value - against steep competition, Cowboy generally loses.

    The other detail to highlight is this is the FIFTH time Cowboy has been knocked out in the first round. Really the 6th if you count Masvidal, and you should. He was picked out because he's a guy on a losing run, on a losing streak, who has a history of crumbling in the first round.

    I like Cowboy and he's a fine fighter. He was hand picked to fall over and he did.
     
  14. kflo Titanium Belt

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    he was finished in the first round twice in his last 14 fights prior to conor (and 3 times in 25 fights). almost all against dangerous opponents.
     
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    Cowboy shouldn't be fighting champ material guys at this point
     
  16. sprucelees Silver Belt

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    I really wanted to see if he improved on some of the issues in this fight during his long lay off but sucks that it ended so quickly:

    his gas tank
    wrestling and BJJ defense
     
  17. Harlekin Brown Belt

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    Cerrone's losses in his last 35:
    McGregor Southpaw
    Gaethje Southpaw
    Ferguson Switchhitter
    Edwards Southpaw
    Till Southpaw
    Lawler Southpaw
    Masvidal Switchhitter
    RDA Southpaw
    RDA Southpaw
    Pettis Switchhitter
    Diaz Southpaw

    List of Cerrone's losses in his last 35 against orthodox only fighters:
    ...
    ...
    ...
    uh nobody

    This is funny, as if the UFC was thinking:" Who is a guy who can't fight a southpaw, is way past his prime and got finished a lot lately with a 4:6 record in his last 10"
    Plus he has to be a slow starter and already finished 6 times in the first round.
    Let's take the guy with 50 mma fights, who has lost his chin.

    Cerrone had a great career, many records, good money and was always a fighter near the title.
    Respect.
     
  18. MXZT Red Belt Platinum Member

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    It could be a bit of both.
     

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