Has anyone found success in MMA betting?

I disagree that tipsters all are scams.

Successful bettors have problems to wager bets cause of bookies limits.
So giving tips away and charging people is a safe extra income without extra work since they need to watch tapes for their own bets.

But yea decreasing odds are are real issue if the tipster has too many members to send tips to.
Low liquidity on MMA in general and moving lines is kinda easy.

This is the BS excuse touts use to explain why they aren't making a fortune themselves, but are instead shilling their picks.

It's utter nonsense.

-There are plenty of sites that rarely, if ever put limits on winning players or how much they can bet, most notably Bookmaker and Pinnacle.
-EVEN if a player was limited by every book on Earth, you don't think there are people who would happily place bets for such a proven winner, even to the point of giving him the lion's share of the winnings? Wouldn't that also be massively more profitable than selling picks for small sums of money?
 
I don't know where are you from but here in UK is a real issue placing big bets on and every UK bookies limit you after a couple of thousands in winning. The best is bet365 that at least allow you to win maybe 5-7k and then they shut you down.
They are not interested in your business and why would them be?
Maybe in US doesn't work that way. Not sure.



So maybe yours is utter nonsense.
 
This is the BS excuse touts use to explain why they aren't making a fortune themselves, but are instead shilling their picks.

It's utter nonsense.

-There are plenty of sites that rarely, if ever put limits on winning players or how much they can bet, most notably Bookmaker and Pinnacle.
-EVEN if a player was limited by every book on Earth, you don't think there are people who would happily place bets for such a proven winner, even to the point of giving him the lion's share of the winnings? Wouldn't that also be massively more profitable than selling picks for small sums of money?
Honestly as a tout I just like having some guaranteed income to boost the amount I'm making from betting. There's huge swings on variance, and being in Australia I can usually get on for as much risk as I can stomach without fucking the lines too much for everybody else.

I don't know where are you from but here in UK is a real issue placing big bets on and every UK bookies limit you after a couple of thousands in winning. The best is bet365 that at least allow you to win maybe 5-7k and then they shut you down.
They are not interested in your business and why would them be?
Maybe in US doesn't work that way. Not sure.



So maybe yours is utter nonsense.

Betfair/Smarkets are kind of a solution, but they're sharp as fuck and it's hard to get limits
 
Diary of a pro gambler on YouTube.

I don't bet but this guy, fecking hell breaks them down with the very best of them.

Check him out.

(Used to so live streams on YouTube but they stopped him) uploads recorded stuff now and does live o twitch I think ).
 
I have not tried MMA betting yet but I have some successful results in esports betting for such games as Dota 2, CS:Go and LoL. I just follow some websites with statistics and results such as https://yesportsbet.com/ and watch games, of course, to be sure that I am doing the right bet. And I think if you want to be for MMA tournaments you must be involved in this industry or be a great fan. I've played Dota 2 on myself and know all the principles. I even played for one team but we have not gained success and I stopped playing.
 
Diary of a pro gambler on YouTube.

I don't bet but this guy, fecking hell breaks them down with the very best of them.

Check him out.

(Used to so live streams on YouTube but they stopped him) uploads recorded stuff now and does live o twitch I think ).

I like him, don't understand the hate he gets from some plebs. He's able to break down fights and matchup better than 80% of us here imo. It's always good to listen to multiple opinions about fights you're researching to get all possible angles.
 
I like him, don't understand the hate he gets from some plebs. He's able to break down fights and matchup better than 80% of us here imo. It's always good to listen to multiple opinions about fights you're researching to get all possible angles.


Yeah, hard to fault any of his analysis. As detailed as anyone including the weasle,.fighter picks on Bloody Elbow etc. It's a minor miracle it's free tbh. If only I was a gambler haha.
 
Made 11K bettting mma and should've cashed out but ended up losing it all on basketball and hockey ):
 
I’ve done pretty well with parlays but I don’t bet them exclusively. I’ve also luckily stuck with fighters who went on long winning streaks and just kept betting them (max halloway, Jon Jones and recently kamaru usman) used to ride aldo as well until he was ruined by Mcgregor. When I had a bookie I would just pound Anderson Silva fights since it was on credit and he would always dominate. Also in the past the women’s overs would hit almost everytime but it’s harder now because they adjusted and the lines are juiced. I try to limit bets on each card and focus on the ones I really like and just bet more on those.
 
I've found it to be very profitable but have been on a losing skid as of recent. I think it's easier to predict than the other sports and plus I have an affinity toward fighting anyways.
 
First time poster, figured I would put some effort into it since I enjoy this topic. Surprisingly, there is a lot more to this topic then meets the eye, but I will stick to some main points.

TL:DR “It is likely a 100x harder than you imagine to be successful with sports gambling long term, and don’t listen to the average joe schmoe on forums who says it is easy, they have likely just been lucky up to the point they are at. And when you are betting (heavy) favorites which can be the case in MMA, it is harder, statistically speaking, to distinguish luck from skill, bc you need a bigger sample size. Overall, I recommend bet for fun and enjoy that added excitement as your prize!”


I work night shift at a hospital as a pharmacist and have a lot of down time (i.e. me writing this post), and about a year back I started to explore the idea of professional sports gambling as a fun way to make extra money.


Let me tell you, it was quite the roller-coaster of emotions attempting to learn what was likely feasible. I was initially excited to learn that it only took beating a ~52.4% winning percentage (@-110) to be profitable, when dealing with bets that are supposed to be 50/50, such as football/basketball games against the spread. I thought wow that can't be too hard. Then learning about betting exchanges (i.e. Betfair) and professional gambling site like “Pinnacle Sports” where you could get the vigorish/juice (the cut the bookie takes and how they make money) down to -105 or even -103, it brought the necessary winning percentage down even lower! (-105 = 51.2%).


So first thing I did from there, having also heard that 98% of sports gamblers lose money was I tried to figure out why. The first book I read focused on mainly the psychology/mental aspect of sports gambling. I definitely feel that this is one of the biggest components of why so many average Joes lose money. There are so many psychological hurdles to overcome, many that your average Joe doesn’t even know exist. The book was called “Sports Betting To Win” by Steve Ward, and I recommend it as a great starting point if you want to take this topic seriously.


Sadly, this book left me thinking that if I mastered the psychological aspect, then being profitable wouldn’t be so tough.


I know sports gamblers often times devote their entire lives to a particular sport and know the ins/out of everything going on in their sport (trades, injuries, weather etc etc). I quickly realized that I have free time but not enough to devote to a single sport and of course could never cover multiple sports as in depth as the competition. So therefore I developed my initial strategy of finding experts in as many major sports as possible (college bball, NBA, college football, NFL, soccer, baseball etc etc) who sell their picks (they call them tipsters) and place my bets based off their picks. I quickly realized the number of betting opportunities from just betting against the spread and over/under (no props bets or live betting etc etc) was large enough to sustain my overall plan. This overall plan was using a straight betting system of the same amount for each bet (merely to play it safe as opposed to perhaps more lucrative but risky betting systems such as Kelly Criterion). Then placing as many bets as I could. I don’t have the numbers in front of me but the idea is simple, small profit, high turnover, eventually leads to high overall profit (kind of like the idea of compound interest). After determining a reasonable number of bets I could place that I received from tipsters, with an estimated win percentage from tipsters at 55%, and bet size of $2k per bet, vig @-105, I calculated I could possibly be clearing $500k/yr profit.


Now before you start bashing me on that potential profit number, just know I had the same reaction. That’s obviously an insane amount of money. Luckily large enough to make one pause and remember the old saying “if it is too good to be true, then it probably is.”


I read a few more low level books that slightly dampened, but largely kept my hopes alive. I eventually came across 2 books that were gems. That were both eye openers to the fantasy world I was living in. 1st was a no non-sense book called “Sharper: A Guide to Modern Sports Betting” by True PokerJoe. This book will quickly show most noobs how little they actually know about a number of things, one of which was just how math based driven sports gambling is. The author gained my respect quickly and used that respect to crush my hopes and dreams, by stating what I knew deep down, TIPSTERS ARE FRAUDS!


People may read this and disagree and that’s fine. However, the author’s main points are simply that if tipsters are as good as you think and can really hit 54%+ winning percentage, then they don’t need your “pennies” when they could be making much more, simply placing their own bets. In my initial denial my rebuttal was, “yeah but maybe they already placed their bets, and just want some extra funds or maybe some type of fame.” Sadly, this narrative is crushed by the fact that the broader sports gambling market would likely have picked up on these people and be following them as well, once their picks are released, large (smart) money would come in and replicate their bets, this quickly moves the vegas lines that are set (i.e. Patriots -3 moves to Patriots -4), and you lose your edge. You may be able to pick the same team as the Tipster, but you are then either getting a worse line (i.e. that -4) or you are paying a higher vig (-110 instead of -105), either way in the long run it is a losing proposition.


The next book I read which was one of the aforementioned “gems” (“How To Find A Black Cat In A Coal Cellar: The Truth About Sports Tipsters” by Joseph Buchdahl”) covered a huge topic, which had also been touched on by other authors including Poker Joe, but it examined more in depth how to look at a tipster’s historical record and determine does this person have skill or is it merely luck that is helping them win. There are a lot of “3rd party” sites out there that track tipsters bets for you, some of which who will even release picks as soon as the game starts, so you know they are being honest (bc they typically have some skin in the game and take a cut of the tipsters fees). So if you decide you have at least found a reliable site to look at a tipsters historical records, there is still quite the uphill battle. VegasInsider is from my understanding known to be a reputable site and keeps detailed historical tipster records dating back 5+ years. But interestingly, the more you go back on each individual tipster’s record (aka bigger sample size) the more there wining percentage comes back down, basically to what would be a losing record when taking into consideration vig. Another issues with the 3rd party sites that will basically track anyone's record who signs up, is that if you have a big enough sample size of "experts" basically "flipping coins" statistically some will have stellar records, but don't confuse this with skill (like they probably do).


Lastly, if you are betting on lopsided odds, aka a Jon Jones vs Anthony Smith type of fight, then just remember that your winning percentage in the short term can be very high and you can be making a lot of money. But in the long run, if you don’t have an edge (or +EV) then you will ultimately be joining the 98%! So, in the end my opinion is make small bets simply to add enjoyment to watching sporting events, unless you really want to devote yourself and truly understand what it takes to be successful!

Great post. No, I take that back--excellent post.
 
Hello, I don't know anyone that fount success in MMA bettings, but I know people who found success in soccer betting, and I think that it is the same principle. You should learn a lot about every match, and every player, because it is not as easy as you think it is to win money on bets. One of my friend sometimes bets on nha cai W88 and he is continuously learning about every detail in soccer if he wants to win something.
 
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This question is for those that are either winning or break even bettors concerning taxes..

Asking for a friend... A friend of mine lost $5K at a casino sportsbook. He then starting winning profiting $1K a week later, $2K two weeks later, $4K a month later... Throughout all this the casino never gave him W2 or 1099 slip...

Meanwhile this is happening.. he went on to sign up at a sportbook and deposited $15K and grinded up to $30K now...The sportbook hasn’t sent him any tax slips at all..nothing yet...Do they send you the tax slips when you withdraw the money out of your account or it’s your job to report it while you haven’t withdraw a dime out of your account??

And from what I have read around it says this... https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/general/tax-considerations-for-fantasy-sports-fans/L75xYecdS

so even if casino doesn’t give your the W2/1099 it’s your duty to report your winnings?? Should my buddy waits till he gets the forms through mail or should he report it ASAP??

From what I have gathered, losing scratch and lottery tickets can be written off but is that the only way?? Thanks for reading guys. Any help is appreciated.. :)
 
This question is for those that are either winning or break even bettors concerning taxes..

Asking for a friend... A friend of mine lost $5K at a casino sportsbook. He then starting winning profiting $1K a week later, $2K two weeks later, $4K a month later... Throughout all this the casino never gave him W2 or 1099 slip...

Meanwhile this is happening.. he went on to sign up at a sportbook and deposited $15K and grinded up to $30K now...The sportbook hasn’t sent him any tax slips at all..nothing yet...Do they send you the tax slips when you withdraw the money out of your account or it’s your job to report it while you haven’t withdraw a dime out of your account??

And from what I have read around it says this... https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/general/tax-considerations-for-fantasy-sports-fans/L75xYecdS

so even if casino doesn’t give your the W2/1099 it’s your duty to report your winnings?? Should my buddy waits till he gets the forms through mail or should he report it ASAP??

From what I have gathered, losing scratch and lottery tickets can be written off but is that the only way?? Thanks for reading guys. Any help is appreciated.. :)

You are always going to be running a risk when you don't report it, but you have to look at the chances of tracing it. IMO, the biggest consideration comes down to where you put the money when you cash out. Do you deposit it into a bank account? If so, it's easily traceable. Also - that's a pretty bad idea in general unless you have a separate bank account. Source of funds is a big deal in the financing industry. I've heard several people have issues getting a mortgage due to a cash out deposit.
 
You are always going to be running a risk when you don't report it, but you have to look at the chances of tracing it. IMO, the biggest consideration comes down to where you put the money when you cash out. Do you deposit it into a bank account? If so, it's easily traceable. Also - that's a pretty bad idea in general unless you have a separate bank account. Source of funds is a big deal in the financing industry. I've heard several people have issues getting a mortgage due to a cash out deposit.

But if the casino or sportsbook never gave my buddy any tax forms... should he still have to report it? The casino just gave him cash when he cashed out his fight tickets. They never issued him any slips..

Same with his sportbook account. He hasn’t withdrew a dime since mid of 2019. You suggesting just report it all in 2021 even he has never gotten any slips from neither the casino or the online sportbook??

Also... if we know we all have to pay taxes on this crap, why do people still bet?? Is it because it’s addicting or is it because it’s worth it even though we have to cough up a slice of the pie for Uncle Sam??
 
But if the casino or sportsbook never gave my buddy any tax forms... should he still have to report it? The casino just gave him cash when he cashed out his fight tickets. They never issued him any slips..

Same with his sportbook account. He hasn’t withdrew a dime since mid of 2019. You suggesting just report it all in 2021 even he has never gotten any slips from neither the casino or the online sportbook??

I am saying that you are supposed to report - I'm not saying to do it. Everything is a risk/reward. I don't know how casinos handle it so I can't speak to that. I've had several payouts from 5dimes and Bovada and I know they do not report it. If you don't deposit into a bank account, it's incredibly hard to trace so the risk isn't high at all.
 
Thanks a lot!! ;)<MikeP1>

As for the thread question, I have some buddies that do quite well. I’m just a fish in a pond compare to them <2>
 
i think he would be making a HUGE mistake if he reports his winnings especially when its a few thousand here and there.
about 5 years ago i went on a crazy run where i turned simply just an $8000 bet on sergey kovalev over bernard hopkins into over 50 grand in a few weeks. they let me take out 7,000 monthly without fees or problems. over the next year i took out 7,000 month and at same time kept winning marginally where i kept reloading the account. was a nice run, bought a range rover with 10,000 miles on it cash, and reinvested some of the money. never reported a thing.

ive hit at fanduel in jersey for over 10,000 a few times over the last year. never reported a thing. i do split my tickets up usually where ill bet 2000 or 1500 multiple time rather than betting 5k or larger numbers on one ticket.
 
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