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Getting a gainer shake and only using 1/2 or 1/4 of a serving as a pre-workout/during workout drink? There's a lot of gainers out there that are very similar in their ingredients and ratios to Endurox, Countdown, and similar products. One positive difference is that gainers can be bought for a LOT less, because they are typically purchased in bulk.

Furthermore, there are many gainers out there that are just like Countdown/Endurox, except their ratio of protein to carbs is a little higher (More like 1:2 instead of 1:4). This is exactly what I need. Because of constraints of my schedule, my pre-workout beverage needs to be more of an MRP (I usually haven't eaten anything for several hours by the time I get to it). Anyway, just wanted some opinions before I bought a ton of gainer :) Thanks.
 
Yeah, I've known guys who do that. I've recommended it in the past.

Gainers typically have fat, though, and no added BCAA's or electrolytes.

Accelerade has quite a few studies backing it. It was praised at the ACSM conference this year. Check out their links (via the manufacturer, Pacific Health Labs):
http://www.accelerade.com/pages/studies.html

And this is a basic breakdown of why PHL engineers the 4:1 (for in-workout):
http://www.accelerade.com/advantage.php
 
Oh, but it will work. It's definitely not a bad idea if you want a powder, but also want to save money.

But I think you could make something for even cheaper at PF with just pure dextrose and WPC with some added vitamins. That's all weight gainers usually are.
 
Yeah, I can/will account for the lack for BCAAs and other goodies that more conventional products include.

Most gainers (at least those that I've been considering) have only 1-2 grams of fat per 1/4 serving (which is what I'll be doing).

I like Accelerade and similar products, I just need something more substantial after going so long without food.

The price is just icing on the cake :)
 
How would the fat impact the disgestion of the liquid?


Would it slow down the assimilation of the carbs and protein?
 
Ian, my main concerns with having too much fat in a pre-workout drink are

1. Too much fat at one time makes most people (including me) feel tired and sluggish.
2. Read Berardi on consuming carb-fat meals (BAD idea).

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm going to see how much a comparable True Protein or Protein Facttory product would cost me.
 
After playing around at the custom protein sites for awhile, I don't think I'll be able to make a comparable supplement for the price, I'll probably still go with the gainer.
I am actually able to get NLarge II for much cheaper than it is listed at BB.com.
 
I do that all the time, and take like 1/4 serving...I still feel like there is too much sugar tho
 
Madmick said:
Yeah, I've known guys who do that. I've recommended it in the past.

Gainers typically have fat, though, and no added BCAA's or electrolytes.

Accelerade has quite a few studies backing it. It was praised at the ACSM conference this year. Check out their links (via the manufacturer, Pacific Health Labs):
http://www.accelerade.com/pages/studies.html

And this is a basic breakdown of why PHL engineers the 4:1 (for in-workout):
http://www.accelerade.com/advantage.php
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Nice links, Mick. While this is getting a bit off topic, what are your thoughts on the 4:1 ratio recommended to the 2:1 by Berardi?
 
I always used to do this, when i was at my heaviest ( more into BB then than MA ) I feel its got to be benificial to have plenty of protein around when your catbolic to prevent muscle breakdown for energy. a small touch, but at the price gainers cost a worthwhile one.
 
MikeMartial said:
Nice links, Mick. While this is getting a bit off topic, what are your thoughts on the 4:1 ratio recommended to the 2:1 by Berardi?
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I couldn't say which is better. I definitely think you're less likely to store fat with the 2:1.

As long as you're somewhere in there (between 2:1 and 4:1), you're properly servicing your body.
 
Ian Coe said:
How would the fat impact the disgestion of the liquid?


Would it slow down the assimilation of the carbs and protein?
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No, totally seperate pathways, and digestion proccess. IN a liquid meal, fat, will NEVER slow down your other nutrients.
 
XTrainer said:
Ian, my main concerns with having too much fat in a pre-workout drink are

1. Too much fat at one time makes most people (including me) feel tired and sluggish.
2. Read Berardi on consuming carb-fat meals (BAD idea).

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm going to see how much a comparable True Protein or Protein Facttory product would cost me.
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That could be the type of fats, and the fact that you are still carb dependent for a lot of your funtions. MArk Twight wrote a excellent articel about such a thing.
 
As for #2. Well that's neither here nor there. It can be argued both ways. EVERY single one of my clients uses carbs and fats together in meals. Look at baruts and Fatkids logs or others to see why. Also I believe Dr. Sears just as much as I beleive Berardi, and frnakly the zone (fat and carbs together) works very well. Do my clients follow zone? Not really, but wwe combine carbs and fats together quite regularly, but also remmber the types of fats and carbs. Sorry but that is just one of his rules that doesn't swim for shit in my gym.
 
I understand, and I must be perfectly honest that I've had decent results with carb-fat meals in the past. However, for my current training/nutrition plan, I'm giving this a shot. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "BAD idea." Rather, "It is contrary to the diet I am following now."
 
I just realized something. Assuming you shouldn't consume non-vegatable carbs other than around your workout (and perhaps a bowl of oats in the morning), doesn't that imply that your meals, except for pre-, durning-, and PWO should be fat-protein?

Also, I still appreciate anyone'e replys on the original subject.
 
I think you are taking the fat/protein, carb/protein thing a little too literally. I don't know if I agree completely with Berardi's recommendation on this or not but nonetheless he does not state complete separation of the two macronutrients at all times. What he states is that a HIGH quantity of both should not be consumed together. Now, what has always bugged me about Berardi's stance on this is that he's never once (at least not that I've read) stated what his definition of high quantity is. He has also gone on the record to say that low GI carbs such as beans, vegetables, and some low GI fruits are perfectly acceptable with fat meals. I think that if anything, the P/C, P/F thing is icing on the cake for someone trying to seriously lose fat but by no means is it necessary (just my opinion).
 
XTrainer said:
I just realized something. Assuming you shouldn't consume non-vegatable carbs other than around your workout (and perhaps a bowl of oats in the morning), doesn't that imply that your meals, except for pre-, durning-, and PWO should be fat-protein?
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Yes, Berardi recommends avoiding all carbs except veggies outside of the peri-workout window. But this is only for people with a very poor carb tolerance and who is very serious about fat loss. He does not recommend this across the board for everyone.
 
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