Hardy landed first, Condit won b/c of FORM and Jackson

[RUkickboxer]

Ok so rather than be on the ball of his foot he's rising onto his toes for height rather than rotation. Is that what you're getting at?

Not everyone is the same or has the same habits... kinda getting caught in the minutia... but if you have giant padded gloves, it helps to avoid breaking your 4/5 metacarpals. Plus, your forearm has a LOT of flexor groups to help stabilize the wrist (flexing is waving bye downwards). Only a few weaker muscles adduct and abduct the wrist and keep it stable (palm down, left/right motion). Flexors also work with the biceps. Biceps brachii action naturally turns the palm "facing up". Try it on yourself.

And if you want to consider speed and power in relation to the base, sit on a spinning chair and hold your arms out, then bring them in. Arms out, slower, arms in, faster. If you have a wide base, you can extend your arm for more torque (first step in a hook), and then when you flex your biceps and bring the arm closer to the body (finish the punch), what happens? Just like in the chair, you start to rotate faster. So you want that initial torque with a stronger base to involve more hips and get the motion going, and then tighten the punch up.

 

[Slippyj***]

And here I thought hands were often supposed to be horizontal upon impact with hooks.. Not saying vertical is wrong, it's obviously not always wrong, but why do you say horizontal is wrong?

Will someone answer this guys question....someone with some striking experience, im curious as well because i have always believed that your and should be horizontal as well

 

[RUkickboxer]

Will someone answer this guys question....someone with some striking experience, im curious as well because i have always believed that your and should be horizontal as well

read 1st paragraph of my answer above your post.

 

[StikyIcky]

Arm chair warrior, sensei...

Sensing a lot of sarcasm...

Because you're trying to be some boxing know it all yet keep showing that you're talking out of your ass.

They exchanged shots and both threw with the technique that they are most used to. That is a standard Hardy left hook, far reaching instead of tight. With the right hand down. He does tend to brawl. Conduit went in with the same combination but different angle.

There was no superior technique or planning there. Both got hit, both had their feet planted, neither used any head movement or tried to pivot to the left as boxers are trained. Hardy's power is overrated while Conduit's chin is underrated.

 

[brian12]

Doesn't have anything to do with form. Condit just has a better chin.

 

[Polish Punisher]

Hardy landed on the neck, Condit landed cleanly on the chin. Simple.

And by the way, Lennox Lewis used a right cross to KO Rahman not a hook.

 

[brian12]

Btw Hardy's punch looked like it had more power behind it than Condits. Condits head snapped to side the more violently(about a foot). Like I said, he just has a better chin. And it looks like Hardy's chin may not be the best.

 

[Steakeater**]

Has nothing to do with hands being vertical or horizontal. Condits hooks were SHORTER because he has a longer reach. Hardy was slightly out of range.

Anybody who trained should know that

 

[RUkickboxer]

Because you're trying to be some boxing know it all yet keep showing that you're talking out of your ass.

The only point of the thread was that during the show, Rogan claims that Condit landed first (if i remember correctly) and that he had sharper technique. I am simply saying that he didn't land first, and his technique is an attribute of the new trainer.

In a shootout, muscle memory is what you rely on. Muscle memory is the result of training a motion over and over again. He obviously trained his punching more sharply. I believe the Jackson camp made the difference.

I thought that it was a cool example of how fundamentals can make a difference in a fight. And since people like to bag on Jackson fighters as LnP specialists, it was a good example that they clearly have good boxing coaches.

 

[KOnah]

Condit was more accurate & threw with far better power/technique.

But yes, probably the closest to a double-KO we've seen in the UFC for a while.

 

[DylanQ]

Hardy's left looked lazy, he didn't even try to put up his right hand to block the punch. I think Condit has really good striking and will do good in future fights.

 

[smasht]

hardy threw the punch from the balls of his feet - had he thrown it properly he could have beaten condit to the punch and won.

just an observation.

 

[SuperNerd]

Anyone who thinks Condit displayed great timing or great technical striking has never boxed and does not know what they are taking about. This was about 2 guys planting their feet and winging reckless punches at one another and Condit being the better striker landed more clearly.

If Condit or Hardy were MW and stood in front of Leben the same exchange would happen but with Leben probably eating the Condit shot and finishing him.

that type of striking is all about be willing to eat a shot in the attempt of landing yours and hopefully getting the finish.

When i used to box our coaches would take you out to the wood shed for that type of exchange where you leave yourself so open. Win or lose they do not like that coin flip type of approach.

hardy only misses by maybe half an inch upwards in knocking Condit off that blow and maybe KO'ing him.

I think you're wrong.

Condit knew what he was doing. Hardy had thrown the same punch several times prior. He got timed, and then he got dropped.

The only thing he didn't do was keep his right up.

What TS said, and this. There was a reason Condit's punch was better, and it wasn't luck.

Condit leads him to throw that same punch a few times, and tries to counter it once or twice before getting it perfect.

 

[ChadBroChill]

hardys shot was weaker, doing the british think of fighting on your tip toes, great ending to the fight tho. classic rocky 3 ending scene finish

 

[Happiness]

The big difference is in the footwork. Hardy overthrows the right as well.

Generally when you throw a 1-2-3 or a 2-3 the straight is used to set up the left hook. The idea is to use the right to to get your opponents hands out of position and to set up the your torso for the left hook. You generally dont throw the right with kill-shot power becasue dong so gets your feet and torso out of position (weight alignment and distribution). You want to finish the straight in a loaded (weight sitting down into the next punch) position to move you weight forward on top the front foot to Power the hook.

In the gif watch Harpy's feet compared to Condit. Hardy over throws his straight, never manages to sit down on his hook and cant step with it to gauge distance/accuracy.

 

[RUkickboxer]

Will someone answer this guys question....someone with some striking experience, im curious as well because i have always believed that your and should be horizontal as well

 

[rigoville]

both hooks were sloppy. both had bad defense, neither held their right hand up. condit's was the more accurate punch. that is all.

 

[Rawky]

Condit put more bodyweight behind his punch and landed directly on the chin. Hardy did not.

People will soon learn that this isn't a big deal, it just happened at that moment and Hardy is probably still a better striker.

he was losing the majority of the striking exchanges up to that point. and he lost that one too. Condit was better on the feet in that fight, they've only fought one time and that one time condit was the better striker...condit is the better striker.

 

[taurus]

nice analysis from several guys...

 

[StikyIcky]

The only point of the thread was that during the show, Rogan claims that Condit landed first (if i remember correctly) and that he had sharper technique. I am simply saying that he didn't land first, and his technique is an attribute of the new trainer.

In a shootout, muscle memory is what you rely on. Muscle memory is the result of training a motion over and over again. He obviously trained his punching more sharply. I believe the Jackson camp made the difference.

I thought that it was a cool example of how fundamentals can make a difference in a fight. And since people like to bag on Jackson fighters as LnP specialists, it was a good example that they clearly have good boxing coaches.

Why are you trying to rationalize your ignorant, pompous and idiotic thread starting post? First of all, Conduit has thrown his left hook from that angle long before joining Jackson. On the flipside, Hardy has throw his left hook from that angle ever since he has been kickboxing, although he often does not corkscrew it.

Second of all, most, if not all, boxers & kickboxers tend to favor a certain way of throwing hooks and there is nothing that can be done about it. It's simply a matter of physiology and being comfortable.

Third of all, what the f**k are you talking about fundamentals making a difference in this fight? If anything, both fighters had not so good boxing fundamentals and left themselves open with right hand down, feet planted and no pivot. Had Hardy been further back by two inches before they threw, Condit would have been the one on the floor. It was a matter of chance, as well as the fact that Hardy has always been a very overrated striker with overrated power and an untested chin while Condit has 31 fights with 5 losses and none by KO or TKO and plenty of win by TKO punches.

Finally, Condit has always been an underrated fighter because he was not getting exposure in UFC. His fault has always been the lack of wrestling and he will gain the most from Jackson's camp in the MMA wrestling department, as well as planning properly for judges decisions. Greg Jackson does not develop fighters, he takes on proven prospects or established fighters and focuses on gameplanning, mostly making sure you're ahead on the scorecards, which presents a strong advantage and may force the opponent to make mistakes in case you want to push for a finish.