PPV May 20th Haney vs Lomachenko Top Rank

[Flboycanscrap2]

Loma has had problems in every one of his lightweight fights. He's brilliant but he is tiny.

 

[kenji goh]

Loma has some basic shortcomings that keep him from being elite imo.
His punching form and his arsenal of punches kind of suck imo.
No jab, no snap behind his jab or any of his punches. He has a one-two arm combination which cause of his small stature happens in midair most of the time,
and he's a pressure fighter without real power.
He has won matches with creative combinations like the Linares one, but that was more testament of his great IQ, than a show of good and well trained combnation skill,
like most pressure fighters have f.ex. Choco, GGG, Canelo.
Loma has really high boxing IQ, champion mentality and character and technically speaking, incredible footwork, one of the best ever.
Those things gave him this career he had, but can't make him an all time great imo.

That's why he lost to Teofimo and he's also gonna lose to Haney. Any decent well schooled american outboxer with good fundamentals is bound to beat the guy.

 

[BoxingMMA]

No I think Loma in any given night, at his best, can beat absolutely any fighter in the history of his weight class, the problem is he isn’t consistent and you never know what versión you’re getting. Or if he is going to be too temperamental inside the ring and try to keep it real, forgetting a game plan

 

[SandisLL]

Loma has some basic shortcomings that keep him from being elite imo.
His punching form and his arsenal of punches kind of suck imo.
No jab, no snap behind his jab or any of his punches. He has a one-two arm combination which cause of his small stature happens in midair most of the time,
and he's a pressure fighter without real power.
He has won matches with creative combinations like the Linares one, but that was more testament of his great IQ, than a show of good and well trained combnation skill,
like most pressure fighters have f.ex. Choco, GGG, Canelo.
Loma has really high boxing IQ, champion mentality and character and technically speaking, incredible footwork, one of the best ever.
Those things gave him this career he had, but can't make him an all time great imo.

That's why he lost to Teofimo and he's also gonna lose to Haney. Any decent well schooled american outboxer with good fundamentals is bound to beat the guy.

Will see.
Haney does have lower mileage under belt before turned into a pro boxer.
It is good bonus.
Also Loma is small for this division.
If guys had saw fight Campbell vs Loma....they had get this reality.....
+ " old " with too long mileage under belt and health problems.
While in good day he might KO Lopez....easily...
He isn't Kambosos, still exp is levels above this one......


IMHO Haney via decision.
Loma is over the hill and tired.
However he already does have his name in history unlike Haney or Lopez.

 

[SandisLL]

Loma has some basic shortcomings that keep him from being elite imo.
His punching form and his arsenal of punches kind of suck imo.
No jab, no snap behind his jab or any of his punches. He has a one-two arm combination which cause of his small stature happens in midair most of the time,
and he's a pressure fighter without real power.
He has won matches with creative combinations like the Linares one, but that was more testament of his great IQ, than a show of good and well trained combnation skill,
like most pressure fighters have f.ex. Choco, GGG, Canelo.
Loma has really high boxing IQ, champion mentality and character and technically speaking, incredible footwork, one of the best ever.
Those things gave him this career he had, but can't make him an all time great imo.

That's why he lost to Teofimo and he's also gonna lose to Haney. Any decent well schooled american outboxer with good fundamentals is bound to beat the guy.

Why not?
Lomo easily was able to make 126.
And today ofc no but 130 with a glance.
135 are guys like Campbell size lads etc beauty....

 

[SandisLL]

Ofc there IMHO EE post soviet society and mentality had played huge role on his pro career remaining potential.
Guy from U.S when he is World Champ in ams and Olympic gold medalist....
definitely will turn into a pro after this.
Why not? Media attention and money from investor for such specimen is already warranted.

While for Loma looks that to get 2 nd Olympic gold and to get 2 nd gold medal in world championship was important thing.

With this he wasted 4 additional years in am ranks....
Was a bit too old and with too long mileage under belt when turned into a pro. Moved up in weight classes... while it is advised to keep lowest possible .....

While again.
Causal person in Ukr will not gave a f*** if you will tell that guy x is 2X WBC champ...when you will tell that guy is 2XOly champ...then average person will tell: Wow, it should be something good.

 

[SandisLL]

The same stuff to higher extent imho was Lazlo Papp from Hungary.
He was 3X Olympic champion.
3 rd time he was Olympic champ with heavily damaged hands.
His style was really suitable for pro ....
If he was an american, definitely after first Oly gold had turned into a pro...
While cos he was from socialists Hungary he turned into a pro when it was clear that he will not be able to get 4 th Olympic medal.
The Greatest Lazlo with damaged hands turned into a pro.
IMHO his style was more suitable for a pro than Loma's style.
high KO/ TKO % in 3 rounds until he get too damaged hands.

 

[SandisLL]

+ mental aspect.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think that Usyk does have more intent to finish opponent in distance than Loma.

 

[PHATV]

Loma has looked old to me in his last couple bouts. Coin flip at best. I'd say Haney best strike while the iron is hot. Peak lower risk/higher reward for him right now, I'd say.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

Loma last night didn’t look good. The question is that age, rust, or was Ortiz that much better than everyone thought? Loma did look better as the fight went on. Wich may point to rust being the controbutor, or was it the inexperience of Ortiz In the later rounds? When loma was first, he won. When he stalled, Ortiz was able to land. Last nights fight isn’t a good mark to judge a potential Haney/Loma fight on for many reason. One being styles. Haney and Ortiz have very different style. Haney has a wicked jab, he uses it to perfection, he hides behind it, he sets things up well with it etc but he’s not an aggressive fighter. Ortiz is aggressive, he goes forward and haney goes backwards, haney needs to see everything, as soon as he can’t, he clinches. Matrix Loma could beat Haney easily. But I’m worried about his speed, he looked slower last night. But, many factors can contribute to that. If Loma can dial in Haneys jab and clinch work timing, he can use his angles to land and frustrate him.

im not giving up on Loma yet. I believe Loma will lose the first half of the fight while he tries and figures haneys reach and clinch game out, and then run away with the second half using his pivots and angles. Decision Loma

I think Haney needs a ko should it happen.

 

[bjl12]

Loma has some basic shortcomings that keep him from being elite imo.
His punching form and his arsenal of punches kind of suck imo.
No jab, no snap behind his jab or any of his punches. He has a one-two arm combination which cause of his small stature happens in midair most of the time,
and he's a pressure fighter without real power.
He has won matches with creative combinations like the Linares one, but that was more testament of his great IQ, than a show of good and well trained combnation skill,
like most pressure fighters have f.ex. Choco, GGG, Canelo.
Loma has really high boxing IQ, champion mentality and character and technically speaking, incredible footwork, one of the best ever.
Those things gave him this career he had, but can't make him an all time great imo.

That's why he lost to Teofimo and he's also gonna lose to Haney. Any decent well schooled american outboxer with good fundamentals is bound to beat the guy.

Also keep in mind Teo and Haney will be/were 2-3 weight classes larger and in their 1st weight class while Loma his 3rd.

Loma is a little dude, clearly, but people act like Teo busted Loma up...Teo just established and maintained range...as the taller and longer fighter. Not supremely impressive imho. I expect Haney to do the same thing and boast proudly after a 8-4/7-5 win.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Or he was simply overrated...

Size is obviously a factor and will always be, but some smaller fighters still manage to beat larger ones.

By comparison, Manny started as a flyweight and went as far as the light middleweight division.

But, it wasn't unusual for Manny to be larger than his opponent come fight time.

He was even heavier than Oscar the night they fought

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

This is the fight to make. Can't wait to see it.

 

[aries]

Loma has some basic shortcomings that keep him from being elite imo.
His punching form and his arsenal of punches kind of suck imo.
No jab, no snap behind his jab or any of his punches. He has a one-two arm combination which cause of his small stature happens in midair most of the time,
and he's a pressure fighter without real power.
He has won matches with creative combinations like the Linares one, but that was more testament of his great IQ, than a show of good and well trained combnation skill,
like most pressure fighters have f.ex. Choco, GGG, Canelo.
Loma has really high boxing IQ, champion mentality and character and technically speaking, incredible footwork, one of the best ever.
Those things gave him this career he had, but can't make him an all time great imo.

That's why he lost to Teofimo and he's also gonna lose to Haney. Any decent well schooled american outboxer with good fundamentals is bound to beat the guy.

All with no mention that Teo and Haney are both naturally much bigger longer men and Loma is competing well outside of his weight class. But I agree Loma would be more competitive if he carried more power up with him. Elite smaller men like Pac and Duran were still able to hang at higher weight classes because were still able to demonstrate good power when they went up.

I don't agree that any well-schooled american at Loma's natural weight class would beat him, let alone be bound to. Mikey Garcia would have been the best test and he ran out of the division.

 

[aries]

Loma has looked old to me in his last couple bouts. Coin flip at best. I'd say Haney best strike while the iron is hot. Peak lower risk/higher reward for him right now, I'd say.

I think he'll struggle with Haney in part due to age. Ortiz won the early rounds because he was faster and longer. Haney is even faster, longer and is able to sustain his speed better than Ortiz who'd never been 12. However, after nearly a year off, ring rust was certainly evident and while Lomachenko was able to pull away in the later rounds and seem more like his old self, it was enhanced by Ortiz fading. I just hope we don't see a 12 round punch and clutch strategy from Haney, although it would seem to be his best bet for the easiest route to victory.

 

[randomg1t]

Any decent well schooled american outboxer with good fundamentals is bound to beat the guy.

somewhere, gary russell jr silently disagrees.

 

[Roids]

He will win if they use the same judges from the Ortiz fight. He lost 7-5 (being super generous) or 8-4 yet the cards were the direct opposite lol.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

He will win if they use the same judges from the Ortiz fight. He lost 7-5 (being super generous) or 8-4 yet the cards were the direct opposite lol.

I was actually surprised too. I thought it was 7-5 Ortiz or 6-6 Draw after the late rally and Ortiz slowing down a lot.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Lomachenko beat Ortiz fairly comfortably. He was landing all of the clean shots and they were telling. Ortiz's shots didn't have anywhere near the same impact. All you have to do is go back and watch the highlights. The right man won.

 

[Roids]

ye super super generous draw. the score card was criminal yet seems to have just been brushed off because its Loma.