Haney far more impressive vs Abdullaev than Muratalla

[brundlefly]

Watched Muratalla impressively dominate Abdullaev over the weekend. Yes, Abdullaev came on stronger especially in the championship rounds to make things very interesting. But overall, I gave Muratalla high marks and felt he was a legit threat to the top guys (shakur, tank, keyshawn) at 135.

That is, until I decided to rewatch Haney-abdullaev from a few years back when Devin was only 20. Devin absolutely beat the brakes offa Abdullaev, stopping him after 4 rounds. It was stunning. It reminded me what a phenom Devin was/is. But its also easy to see why Devin is so hated. Dude literally is in a class of his own. No wonder NOBODY had a problem with Garcia being so juiced he couldn't make weight. For a lotta people that was their idea of a fair fight...and it's one of the problems with being too good for your own good.

It remains to be seen how he bounces back after the Garcia scandal. But I say, give Devin a couple of confidence builders (against steve claggett and feargal mcrory) and he'll be unstoppable.

 

[that Indian]

Watched Muratalla impressively dominate Abdullaev over the weekend. Yes, Abdullaev came on stronger especially in the championship rounds to make things very interesting. But overall, I gave Muratalla high marks and felt he was a legit threat to the top guys (shakur, tank, keyshawn) at 135.

That is, until I decided to rewatch Haney-abdullaev from a few years back when Devin was only 20. Devin absolutely beat the brakes offa Abdullaev, stopping him after 4 rounds. It was stunning. It reminded me what a phenom Devin was/is. But its also easy to see why Devin is so hated. Dude literally is in a class of his own. No wonder NOBODY had a problem with Garcia being so juiced he couldn't make weight. For a lotta people that was their idea of a fair fight...and it's one of the problems with being too good for your own good.

It remains to be seen how he bounces back after the Garcia scandal. But I say, give Devin a couple of confidence builders (against steve claggett and feargal mcrory) and he'll be unstoppable.

Honestly I jumped on the Haney bandwagon after that fight, but sadly that seems to be his high water mark. I think he’s already regressing although I hope I’m wrong. His performances against Linares, Loma, Garcia and Ramirez have cooled my fervour considerably.

 

[WillyWarminski]

Honestly I jumped on the Haney bandwagon after that fight, but sadly that seems to be his high water mark. I think he’s already regressing although I hope I’m wrong. His performances against Linares, Loma, Garcia and Ramirez have cooled my fervour considerably.

Spot on. Especially your last sentence.

 

[brundlefly]

Honestly I jumped on the Haney bandwagon after that fight, but sadly that seems to be his high water mark. I think he’s already regressing although I hope I’m wrong. His performances against Linares, Loma, Garcia and Ramirez have cooled my fervour considerably.

Nah, i see it differently. Against linares, haney showed consummate brilliance, at least for the first 8 rounds. But he felt wasn't enough for him to simply dominate linares. he felt pressured by fans to put on a show and draw linares into a trench war. problem is, back then, he lacked pop in his punches and ended up getting hurt himself. He coulda taken the easy road and just continued to outclass linares, but youth and immaturity got the better of him. It's one of my favorite haney performances up to the time he got hurt because i couldn't believe the next-level skill set he displayed.

loma was a difficult fight stylistically because loma moves a lot and is also highly technical. hard for a counter puncher like haney to look great against that style. add to that, he was depleted from cutting weight and it was pretty impressive that he was able to outbox the master boxer.

The garcia fight should go down as one of the biggest disgraces in boxing history. far worse than margarito using doctored handwraps. far worse than luis resto. a major scandal that should have shook up the entire sportsworld and called attention to the crisis of corruption in boxing. i mean, the commission KNEW garcia was on PEDs. So much so, he couldn't make weight. and they STILL let the fight go forward. Then they had the nerve to award the win to garcia. If it hadn't come out that garcia cheated, the commission would have let him keep the belt and the win. Boxing is so fucking corrupt, it's crazy.

As far as the ramirez fight was concerned, that was devin getting back in action after a year off and having to overcome the psychological effects of being dropped three times by a guy who was juiced to the gills and, as a result, far bigger and stronger than him. Think tim tszyu coming back from the fundora loss and getting destroyed by bakram. or munguia coming off the canelo loss and getting ko'd by that french clubfighter. that's what a loss can do to an undefeated fighter. but ramirez is still a top guy at 140 and devin won every round. that bodes well for his future, provided they continue to manage his career responsibly.

 

[Codpiece]

Nah, i see it differently. Against linares, haney showed consummate brilliance, at least for the first 8 rounds. But he felt wasn't enough for him to simply dominate linares. he felt pressured by fans to put on a show and draw linares into a trench war. problem is, back then, he lacked pop in his punches and ended up getting hurt himself. He coulda taken the easy road and just continued to outclass linares, but youth and immaturity got the better of him. It's one of my favorite haney performances up to the time he got hurt because i couldn't believe the next-level skill set he displayed.

loma was a difficult fight stylistically because loma moves a lot and is also highly technical. hard for a counter puncher like haney to look great against that style. add to that, he was depleted from cutting weight and it was pretty impressive that he was able to outbox the master boxer.

The garcia fight should go down as one of the biggest disgraces in boxing history. far worse than margarito using doctored handwraps. far worse than luis resto. a major scandal that should have shook up the entire sportsworld and called attention to the crisis of corruption in boxing. i mean, the commission KNEW garcia was on PEDs. So much so, he couldn't make weight. and they STILL let the fight go forward. Then they had the nerve to award the win to garcia. If it hadn't come out that garcia cheated, the commission would have let him keep the belt and the win. Boxing is so fucking corrupt, it's crazy.

As far as the ramirez fight was concerned, that was devin getting back in action after a year off and having to overcome the psychological effects of being dropped three times by a guy who was juiced to the gills and, as a result, far bigger and stronger than him. Think tim tszyu coming back from the fundora loss and getting destroyed by bakram. or munguia coming off the canelo loss and getting ko'd by that french clubfighter. that's what a loss can do to an undefeated fighter. but ramirez is still a top guy at 140 and devin won every round. that bodes well for his future, provided they continue to manage his career responsibly.

Linares was pretty washed. Devin was dominating and you’re right, he took a needless risk. But he wasn’t beating the best version of that guy.

Devin did not outbox Loma. Should have been 115-113 Loma, can see a draw. Still, this was a good fight and Devin hung with a really good fighter so even though the decision was bad I think he deserves credit for doing well.

Ryan had substances in his system and missed weight, even though Haney looked bad at times in the fight he won most rounds. Think he disgraced himself afterward though.

The fight you didn’t mention was Prograis. Regis may also be pretty washed but Haney just handled him. That was as impressive as Haney has looked in some time.


He’s still usually pretty boring and he seems a bit of a wanker and his dad is insufferable. I don’t expect him to be super successful at 147, and even though he’s been very disciplined with his weight he’s a big cutter so I consider that move inevitable. He may beat Barrios but think he is dominated by Boots and will avoid WW as best he can until Boots moves to JMW.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Haney is a good fighter but he has some glaring flaws. He's a real sucker for the left hook. This was obvious in the Linares fight and magnified even further against a juiced Garcia. He also lacks pop but it's still enough to get an opponent's respect since he's a sharp puncher. The most damning flaw of all is that he's chinny. He's been visibly hurt or dropped in fights many times by several of his opponents.

 

[brundlefly]

Linares was pretty washed. Devin was dominating and you’re right, he took a needless risk. But he wasn’t beating the best version of that guy.

Devin did not outbox Loma. Should have been 115-113 Loma, can see a draw. Still, this was a good fight and Devin hung with a really good fighter so even though the decision was bad I think he deserves credit for doing well.

Ryan had substances in his system and missed weight, even though Haney looked bad at times in the fight he won most rounds. Think he disgraced himself afterward though.

The fight you didn’t mention was Prograis. Regis may also be pretty washed but Haney just handled him. That was as impressive as Haney has looked in some time.


He’s still usually pretty boring and he seems a bit of a wanker and his dad is insufferable. I don’t expect him to be super successful at 147, and even though he’s been very disciplined with his weight he’s a big cutter so I consider that move inevitable. He may beat Barrios but think he is dominated by Boots and will avoid WW as best he can until Boots moves to JMW.

well, i think "boring" is a matter of perspective. It all depends on why you're a fan of boxing. if you think technical skills and ring craft are a thing of beauty, you're gonna love haney. if you're more into unbridled aggression and power punching then maybe your guy is conor benn. when it comes to fighter's personalities, the truth is, i don't really care. i'm sure there's people out there who have a problem with your personality. one of the best artisans i ever known was a middle aged japanese guy who was known to sexually harass young women. nobody's perfect. let's stick to the topic of boxing.

as for the rest of your post, i disagree with you about linares. i think loma fans down linares for the haney performance because devin did so much better against linares than loma. but the truth is, devin is simply that much better than loma.

loma-devin was a close fight. and loma had his moments. but there is no way haney lost that fight. but it did bring me back to floyd-maidana and floyd-castillo and floyd-dlh, where it's a competitive fight so certain fans will see the opportunity to make the case the other guy won...

and you lost me when you said devin "disgraced" himself after the ryan fight. What am i missing here? lemme guess: was it because he sued ryan? i mean, it's not the first time a fighter has been sued. fighters and promoters do it to each other all the time. dlh threatened to sue over the second mosley fight.

but more to the point, garcia broke the terms of the contract! so he richly deserved to be sued. he used TWO PEDs! fuckin outrageous... couldn't even make weight. came in strong as a fkin middleweight... so, of course DEVIN is the bad guy, lol. reminded me of when pacquiao refused to get PED tested to fight floyd and fans like you were criticizing floyd up and down for not agreeing to the fight anyway.

 

[Blastbeat]

Haney is so dull that you have to write essays explaining why his fights arent dull

 

[brundlefly]

Haney is so dull that you have to write essays explaining why his fights arent dull

go back to watching bkfc