International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Snubnoze707]

Yes I'm sure you never heard of Judea and samaria and have no idea where jews native lands are.

Perhaps you've never heard of Canaan which predates those kingdoms and of which Palestinians AND Israeli's have direct genetic lineage from. The Israeli's cannot claim some special right to those lands. The Palestinian lineage is continual.

 

[SammyPops]

You seem really confused about who the victims and victimizer is here.

Also the entire middle east seems kind of ethnostatey to me. I don't know why the Muslims need another country to oppress half the population in , they have the entire region except for one little spec.

You seem to believe the zionist narrative without question.

The Palestinians are the victims for 75 years to any right headed person.

You should try to educate yourself.

 

[SammyPops]

Bingo. Israel is the only nation in the region that isn't allowed to want to be an ethnostate.

Weak bitchass strawman.

The problem is that we are watching Israel colonize, ethnic cleans, and commit genocide in real time with our weapons and money.

 

[moreorless87]

Perhaps you've never heard of Canaan which predates those kingdoms and of which Palestinians AND Israeli's have direct genetic lineage from. The Israeli's cannot claim some special right to those lands. The Palestinian lineage is continual.

Not that I think it should be a factor anyway but religion is always a pretty bad guide to actual genetic background of a population perfectly possible for it to spread to a population mostly native to other areas.

I mean if your looking at moral responsibility after the holocaust I think its pretty tough to pin the blame on the Palestinian population, that was a genocide carried out by a western Christian nation playing on a general climate of anti-Semitism(Hitler took quite a bit of inspiration from the US) across the west.

Bingo. Israel is the only nation in the region that isn't allowed to want to be an ethnostate.

This seems to build on some kind of strawman that progressives critical of the Israelis are somehow really positive about places like Saudi Arabia or other Gulf States, the truth is that there also critical of those states whilst its actually Israeli allies and more recently the Israelis themselves who are on good terms with them selling them a shit load of arms.

I mean right now whats happening in Sudan is I'm guessing being underreported because its a Saudi/UAE proxy war, same as the Yemen war was underported to avoid focus on the Saudi's influence.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Not that I think it should be a factor anyway but religion is always a pretty bad guide to actual genetic background of a population perfectly possible for it to spread to a population mostly native to other areas.

Yeah, that's why I look to things like haplogroups to get a better understanding of genetic lineage. These were all the same people before Judaism and Islam even existed. The Israeli's took on some European admixture, while the Palestinians took on some Arab admixture, but both in the region are predominately Canaanites in make-up. Religion is the real dividing factor. Genetics are actually a point of unity, but nobody talks about it. Israeli's look at people with a completely different lineage that adopted their religion as closer to them than people that share the majority of the same genetics with them, to the point of them expelling those people in favor of foreigners.

 

[Hog-train]

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

- Charles Bukowski

You're the human embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

You're literally describing yourself. Weren't you the one that first entered this thread guns blazing insulting everyone and posting pages long memes? The irony.

 

[DEVILsSON]

The problem is all the two state solution negations from Isreal and the west over the last 30 years have clearly been in bad faith, just cover for the continued ethnic cleansing.

Someone like Harris for me has no credibility, she needs to be making very concrete promises about a two state solution and indeed a ceasefire and how she would force them on the Israeli, just some generalise talk of these things is meaningless.

Arafat had a deal he could have agreed to, however bad or not. He chose not to. There was no better deal to be had.

What is the alternative? If Trump wins he may declare all of the Palestine belonging to Israel.

If pro Palestinian Americans are rational people then Harris is the only reasonable choice. She's not shamelessly pandering to Evangelicals who back Israel 100% on the belief that the end of the world and their ascension to heaven or return of Jesus rests on it. Someone who's a lot less crazy is a far better alternative.

My general approach is harm reduction. I will never have my perfect candidate so I am always voting for the lesser evil. I expect the same of others but perhaps that's not a good expectation since many people act on emotions rather than cold logic.

 

[cincymma79]

Arafat had a deal he could have agreed to, however bad or not. He chose not to. There was no better deal to be had.

What is the alternative? If Trump wins he may declare all of the Palestine belonging to Israel.

If pro Palestinian Americans are rational people then Harris is the only reasonable choice. She's not shamelessly pandering to Evangelicals who back Israel 100% on the belief that the end of the world and their ascension to heaven or return of Jesus rests on it. Someone who's a lot less crazy is a far better alternative.

My general approach is harm reduction. I will never have my perfect candidate so I am always voting for the lesser evil. I expect the same of others but perhaps that's not a good expectation since many people act on emotions rather than cold logic.

Palestine isn’t on my list of things I vote about

 

[DEVILsSON]

Palestine isn’t on my list of things I vote about

For me it is not either.

I want a president that supports Israel but that's both parties. However I do want a candidate that pushes for a two state solution and reins in Bibi/whoever replaces him.

I was also speaking more broadly almost like a devil's advocate. To me it's not a major issue but I respect others for whom it is a major issue for whatever reason. I do hope they use logic/reason in who they vote for. My hope is that people like Snub or Koya or even a good friend of mine who makes Koya look like Zionist vote for the best candidate available rather than writing in Mickey Mouse or staying home and pouting.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

You're literally describing yourself. Weren't you the one that first entered this thread guns blazing insulting everyone and posting pages long memes? The irony.

I don't start fights, but I do finish them.

Hypocritical pussy.

 

[Hog-train]

I don't start fights, but I do finish them.

Hypocritical pussy.

Oh you finish fights? LMAO what a dork.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Oh you finish fights? LMAO what a dork.

And who's the one accusing the other of posting memes again?

Again, hypocritical pussy.

 

[moreorless87]

Arafat had a deal he could have agreed to, however bad or not. He chose not to. There was no better deal to be had.

What is the alternative? If Trump wins he may declare all of the Palestine belonging to Israel.

If pro Palestinian Americans are rational people then Harris is the only reasonable choice. She's not shamelessly pandering to Evangelicals who back Israel 100% on the belief that the end of the world and their ascension to heaven or return of Jesus rests on it. Someone who's a lot less crazy is a far better alternative.

My general approach is harm reduction. I will never have my perfect candidate so I am always voting for the lesser evil. I expect the same of others but perhaps that's not a good expectation since many people act on emotions rather than cold logic.

If your after harm reduction then you want to be as critical of Harris as possible, force her to shift her position on Gaza in order to win the election not defend her current position which is ennabling genocide.

 

[DEVILsSON]

If your after harm reduction then you want to be as critical of Harris as possible, force her to shift her position on Gaza in order to win the election not defend her current position which is ennabling genocide.

I think you fail to understand how little sway pro Palestinian crowd has or how little it matters to the key swing voters that Harris is trying to get. It's like trying to get Harris to adopt Bernie Sander's policies.

Harris is appealing to centrist voters right now. Most of the centrist voters in key counties/states don't care about Gaza. They couldn't find it on a map if you gave them 100 chances. Statistically most of them are Christians and probably even Evangelicals.

So no, that's not how harm reduction works. You can certainly make your voice heard through petitions, rallies, calling their office, etc in the hopes that the candidate shifts their position. But ultimately harm reduction involves holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil(the candidate likeliest to do the least bad things according to your beliefs). Harris is a no brain pick when compared to Trump. If Bernie Sanders was a Republican and running against Harris in an alternate universe then Koya and Snub voting for that Bernie candidate would make all the sense in the world and I would completely understand.

 

[moreorless87]

I think you fail to understand how little sway pro Palestinian crowd has or how little it matters to the key swing voters that Harris is trying to get. It's like trying to get Harris to adopt Bernie Sander's policies.

Harris is appealing to centrist voters right now. Most of the centrist voters in key counties/states don't care about Gaza. They couldn't find it on a map if you gave them 100 chances. Statistically most of them are Christians and probably even Evangelicals.

So no, that's not how harm reduction works. You can certainly make your voice heard through petitions, rallies, calling their office, etc in the hopes that the candidate shifts their position. But ultimately harm reduction involves holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil(the candidate likeliest to do the least bad things according to your beliefs). Harris is a no brain pick when compared to Trump. If Bernie Sanders was a Republican and running against Harris in an alternate universe then Koya and Snub voting for that Bernie candidate would make all the sense in the world and I would completely understand.

A pro ceasefire position has been shown to be massively popular with US voters and especially Dem voters as has a lot of Sanders platform.

I think its really the grand fantasy that centralist Dems are "having to compromise for the greater good" when in reality there just pushing as far to the right as they think they can get away with to please the forces which have bought them out(although in Bidens case he also seems an ideological bloodthirsty Zionist), the less push back they get against that the further to the right they will go.

 

[Koya]

After poisoning the wells now israeli settlers poison livestock of Palestinians. But hey it's not a terrorist colonialist state at all. Only democracy in the middle east yada yada

 

[cincymma79]

A pro ceasefire position has been shown to be massively popular with US voters and especially Dem voters as has a lot of Sanders platform.

I think its really the grand fantasy that centralist Dems are "having to compromise for the greater good" when in reality there just pushing as far to the right as they think they can get away with to please the forces which have bought them out(although in Bidens case he also seems an ideological bloodthirsty Zionist), the less push back they get against that the further to the right they will go.

Your vote doesn’t matter dumb dumb. The democrats aren’t going to do anything they’ve promised for 40 years. For fuck sake wake up.

 

[Siver!]

After poisoning the wells now israeli settlers poison livestock of Palestinians. But hey it's not a terrorist colonialist state at all. Only democracy in the middle east yada yada

Netanyahu will investigate this, don't worry, and some of these people could be admonished.

 

[Koya]

Netanyahu will investigate this, don't worry, and some of these people could be admonished.

I'm relieved. After all it's common sense that the criminal investigates his own crime and we don't ask about it after that.

 

[Halifax]

If your after harm reduction then you want to be as critical of Harris as possible, force her to shift her position on Gaza in order to win the election not defend her current position which is ennabling genocide.

Palestine And Israel shouldn't even be high on anyone's radar when it comes to the US election, let alone a deciding issue lol

It's going to be decided in the center vote by the usual suspects. Economy/cost of living, abortion, and immigration.

Nobody in their right mind is going to say "I think Trump will be better for Palestine", so the far left who consider Palestine important will vote for Harris regardless.

If it becomes a "I can't support either side by voting" young person thing, then they are stupid and essentially guarantee a Trump Re-Election