International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Deleted member 110072]

Long post warning. This will be my final response. I'm gonna fuck off for a while after this.



Another dishonest response. Yet again, your story isn't adding up, and you're continuing to skirt the issue. Every time you concoct a new excuse or story, I can already spot the holes in them miles away. This is getting too tiresome at this point. I think I'm better off letting your comments speak for themselves instead than pushing the matter any further.



Hell yeah, I am. Jamie, pull up that retarded quote that ignited this brouhaha, and the preceding posts at which it was directed:



Note that I put the term "Islamophobia" in bold. You'll see why I did it in just a moment.

And here are my posts preceding your quote at which it was directed:







Though you did not directly quote me in the above post, it's clear as day that your comments were directed at me. How do I know this? Because you have a history of indirectly responding to me in a similar coward-like manner. Here's an example:



The keyword here is "Islamophobia." Without fail, you always include this term every time you indirectly respond to me or mention me in your posts. I've seen this action plenty of times from you. Don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about here.

Now that we've established the fact that your comment was directed at me, let's go over sentence-by-sentence what I found to be objectionable about your OP:



Again, for the thousandth time (I am getting tired of repeating myself at this point), this idiot was posting anti-Semitic tropes about Jews controlling the goyim and re-posting anti-Semitic content from an Instagram account, and your first natural instinct was not to condemn the guy, but to give me a fucking pedantic and pretentious lecture about how my accusations of anti-Semitism don't mean shit because of my support for Israel.

So in a nutshell, you're perfectly okay with this idiot spouting these tropes, and hell, they deserve it because of the way Israel is handling the war in Gaza.

Notice something different in this interpretation this time? Now I'm directly accusing you of solely directing those comments at me. Well, fuck you too.

Hell, I don't even know why you felt it was appropriate to give me this dumb lecture considering that

1. I never made the claim that criticizing Israel or its actions in the current conflict in Gaza is anti-Semitic. Utilizing unfair double standards and believing that one side is not capable of doing any wrong? Ain't my style, pal. I think that's more of a pro-Pally thing. However, I will admit that inculpating Israel for whatever offenses despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary and repeatedly utilizing unfair double standards against them is pretty fucking anti-Semitic. Non-negotiable. And it happens more frequently than you'd think.
   
   
2. None of my recent posts in this thread had anything to do with Israel. If I recall correctly, the first post I made in this thread after my long absence was regarding a recent lynching incident against a Jewish bakery in France which I likened to a modern day Kristallnacht. Then I condemned the slogan "Globalize the Intifada" as a dog whistle that incites violence against Jews. And then I called your fellow leftist butt buddy @Siver! out for justifying the slogan and that other idiot whose name I couldn't care to remember fro posting anti-Semitic tropes and an anti-Semitic dog whistle from IG disguised as a harmless post criticizing Israel.

Oh, and by the way, @Siver! , I noticed that you gave a like to that aforementioned IG post. I might as well kill two birds with one stone here since I've already put you on blast. Leftists.

So @Siver! , I guess you're okay with its message that


This, just moments after I called you out for justifying the lynching incident in France due to Israel's action, and despite my following post exposing the content creator's history of posting blatantly anti-Semitic content. It's so pathetic how you two just chose to conveniently ignore the picture of two notorious anti-Semites, Bobby Fischer and Charles Manson (Rest In Piss) with his stupid looking swatzika tattoo on his forehead, in the examples that I cited.

You guys are doing quite the stellar job at disguising how you truly feel about the Jewish people. Good for you. Now go fuck yourselves.

Oh, for the record, I also believe that UNWRA, the UN, and al-Jazeera are lying. Sue me.

Let's continue on with the rest of your stupidass quote:



Yeah, you bet your ass I'm going to continue to bring up this quote every chance I get. No matter how you slice it, it's a bad look. No fucking chance I'm ever letting this go. What, with you frequently bringing up "Islamophobia" every time my name is mentioned?

In your first rebuttal, you claimed that you said "genuinely anti-Semitic conspiracy theories," (nope, you wrote "genuine anti-Semitic conspiracy theories" Don't try to pull a fast one on me with a ninja edit now. It's too late for that.) to which I replied that it's a nonsensical phrase. All conspiracy theories against Jewish people are genuinely anti-Semitic in nature. The adverb "genuinely" is redundant.

In your second rebuttal, you never addressed my points regarding your bullshit excuse that you wrote "genuinely," not "genuine."

And here's your third and most recent rebuttal regarding your use of the word "genuine." Let's see what bullshit excuse you've concocted for me this time:



Classic. It's just a rehash of the excuse that you used in your first rebuttal.

Right. "Genuine" anti-Semitism. As opposed to what? "False" anti-Semitism? "Partial" anti-Semitism? Could you give me an example of a "Genuine" and a "False" anti-Semitism? The phrasing is still fucking awkward and unnatural after you frame it that way.

Did you mean to say genuine accusations of anti-Semitism?

"Oh, yeah!" "That's it!" "That's exactly what I meant!" "Trust me, it wasn't a Freudian slip, honest to God!"

But guess what? You still wrote "genuine anti-Semitic conspiracy theories" in your OP. That has a completely different meaning from "genuine accusations of anti-Semitism." Oops.

Misunderstanding on my part...lmfao



Ohhhhhhhhhh...

I get it now. I see why you keep mentioning the far right in your stupid posts. It's because you're accusing me of being a member of the far right! Wowee!

Moi? Far right?

Is it because I called you a retard a year ago for showing support for Nicolás Maduro just moments after he stole the election in Venezuela (yet again) and for criticizing the US for no apparent reason other than the fact that "WHITE PEOPLE BAD! WHITE PEOPLE OPPRESSORS! OOGA BOOGA! Can I have a large chai latte with a splash of soy milk and a side of gluten-free scone, please?"

Is it because I hate Putin with a passion and I believe that Russian's invasion of Ukraine was illegal? Oh wait, no. That's so not far right...

Or is it because I was transparent about my dislike of Islam, an abhorrent "religion" that gave birth to nearly all terrorist groups in existence today and promotes violence and hatred against women, homosexuals, and unbelievers? Is it simply because of my stern opposition to the following halal actions that are currently being practiced in the Ummah?

• Honor killings
• Female genital mutilation
• Forced conversions
• Genocide
• Polygamy
• Dhimmitude
• Death penalty against apostasy and blasphemy

These are all talking points that I've discussed on multiple occasions with you in the past, and it doesn't surprise me that a walking, talking paradoxical tankie like you still can't see the irony in supporting such a violent religion while maintaining this facade of a compassionate, empathetic "progressive." Where's that meme I used to describe your ilk? Oh, here it is:

Sure, cry wolf all the time, and eventually no one's coming to save your ass when the Big Bad Wolf finally shows up one day. But really though, do you honestly believe this is the appropriate time to deliver this lecture? You're really coming across as shallow and pedantic (and a genuine anti-Semite) when you choose to say this instead of publicly condemning the poster for literally posting, you know, genuine anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Was it not "genuine" enough for you?



That's right. And if you go into that Douglas Murray thread, you can see me steadfastly defend Murray, and criticize Rogan for giving these history revisionist, Nazi apologist, genuine anti-Semitic conspiracy theory peddlers a platform. I posted examples of Darryl Cooper's history revisionism in his appearance on the JRE and Tucker Carlson and an already-deleted pro-Nazi tweet that showcased his blatant, I mean, genuine anti-Semitism. Just ask @Hog-train about how I whipped his ass like the silly llama that he is, and ran him out of the thread after he couldn't further defend his lameass position that Murray was wrong because "MURRAY IS A CONDESCENDING PRICK AND HE HURTS MUH FEE-FEES WITH HIS FANCY ACCENT!". Surely he will vouch for me... If he had any shred of integrity left.

And you. What the fuck have you done?

My post talking about "Genuine Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theory" it making reference to the post directly above it by you containing exactly that coming from that "NK Ultra" account, that is a post which contains Genuine Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theory(or rather several of them), that is stuff which is Genuinely anti-Semitism I think that's a pretty clear condemnation of that account and the material in it isnt it? Surely its obvious I'm NOT saying these theories themselves are Genuine as in they are somehow credible, that I'm using that word before the obvious critical phase "anti-Semitic conspiracy theory" means that I'm saying this is Genuinely anti-Semitic content as a strong negative and that it being "easier to voice than at any point since WW2" is a very bad thing.

Ok I don't know for certain its a far right account(honestly I dont want to be linking to something so unpleasant) but "NK Ultra1" does definitely sound like its making reference to European "Ultra" football hooligans who have a strong association with far right politics and neo nazism(Lazio in italy especially, that's the club Paulo Di Caino did the Nazi salute to the fans). Despite you stating yourself as a strong Islamophobe in the post above I don't ever relate you to the far right, I just say I think the far right is the strongest source of anti-Semitism.

Go to the Douglas Murray thread and you'l see that dispite my strong dislike for the man I also post that he's not wrong to condemn Rogan for platforming anti-Semitism but I point out that people who might support Isreali actions on the right can also be anti-Semitic. I call out people who push the idea that "Churchill was the real villain of WW2" as very likely to be Nazi sympathisers.

The truth is you get some far right types who will be open with there anti-Semitism and look to exploit peoples dislike of Israeli actions to try and sneak it in(not even sneak it in the case of that Republican Marjorie Taylor Green, full in open anti-Semitic conspiracy theory from her linking into "great replacement" conspiracy theory showing things things can absolutely co exist) like that BUT I think there are also far right types who will try and cloak their anti-Semitism who may claim to support Israeli actions and Israel generally due to a shared islamophobia and due to having less a a problem with Jewish people who are not a minority in their own country or just due to political opportunism that doesn't mean there there not still dangerous to Jewish people, arguably even more so as they are more likely to hold significant power.

You look at Trump in the US and dispite a lot of support for Israel I think a lot of his anti establishment talk about economics tends to sound pretty dodgy, he loves to use "Globalist elite" for example which I think ties into people like Victor Orban making reference to that kind of thing and George Soros and yet Bibi is willing to have a good relationship with Orban

Hungarian government campaign renews antisemitism concerns

PM Viktor Orbán seems to be returning to strategy of claiming shadowy global forces are trying to meddle in country’s politics

www.theguardian.com

You see the same with Le Penn's party in France which has a strong history of anti-Semitism and is now trying to cloak it with support for Israeli actions and shared Islamophobia, you know she still has plenty of far right anti-Semitic supporters though. We see it with Meloni as well in Italy were she exploits anti-Semitic far right support(the group involved has direct links back to Italian facism and surprise surprise its still full of anti-Semites) whilst claiming to support Israel.

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I wonder how much more anti-Semitic neo nazi stuff is circulated on Elon "salute" Musk's "free speech" X these days and hasnt Zuckerberg cut back on moderation on both Facebook and Instagram were that content was hosted in an effort to please Trump?

I point out in that original post that I think making cynical claims of anti-Semitism against those critical of Israeli actions has the effect of weakening the term. I don't accuse you of doing this(and whatever our disagreements otherwise yes again I agree with your post above my original one about the nature of that account as clearly anti-Semitic) but this is something which I think is clearly happening especially in the US and Germany, its devaluing the term and making it easier for anti-Semitic Conspiracy theory to spread. That account is a perfect example of what I'm talking about(hence why I posted that comment in response to it), its genuinely anti-Semitism but trying to hide behind(although I think the image is pretty obviously anti-Semitic as well) it takes criticism of Israei actions and uses them in an anti-Semitic fashion looking to relate them to and blame all jews for them (plus links into other content you posted )so that it can claim criticism of it isnt legit because non anti-semtic criticism of Israeli actions gets labelled as such.

I'm guessing that's exactly how it ended up in this thread, it was able to spread on social media in a fashion which it probably wouldn't have been able to in the past because it could hide behind that defence as well as less moderation.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I actually think this was Hama's goal from the beginning and they succeeded. World opinion of Israel is in the dumpster fire.

They of course knew they couldn't beat Israel militarily so they wanted to initiate exactly this sort of heavy handed response. Hamas does not give a fuck about innocent civilians killed. They just wanted to make Israel international pariahs.

Before 10/7, Israel was approaching official peace deals with all it's Arab neighbors while they were still slowly squeezing Palestinians and killing them. Now all their Arab neighbors hate them.

It's kind of like Osama Bin Laden's goal of getting the US to start wars and bankrupt itself.

Yep I suspect that was exactly the intension of Hamas with these attacks, looking to draw out a more extreme response from the Israelis which would damage their status diplomatically rather than the slow burn of ethnic cleansing and oppression which had been normalised. However cynical and willing to play with peoples lives Hamas are though it absolutely does not justify the Israeli response.

Its why as well I think "defeating" Hamas would be pointless/impossible, even if the political body called Hamas ends I think the situation in Gaza and the West Bank is just going to breed more of the same, that situation is going to breed terrorism as it did with the PLO before Hamas.

 

[Chules]

 

[kflo]

Yep I suspect that was exactly the intension of Hamas with these attacks, looking to draw out a more extreme response from the Israelis which would damage their status diplomatically rather than the slow burn of ethnic cleansing and oppression which had been normalised. However cynical and willing to play with peoples lives Hamas are though it absolutely does not justify the Israeli response.

Its why as well I think "defeating" Hamas would be pointless/impossible, even if the political body called Hamas ends I think the situation in Gaza and the West Bank is just going to breed more of the same, that situation is going to breed terrorism as it did with the PLO before Hamas.

Because no other place in the world has people encouraging them to continue to use terror from afar, that it can work, with dedicated UN agencies on the ground (employing 30k people). Just look at you guys suggesting Hamas achieved a goal. Even with their leaders dead and a large % of their fighters. Because somehow they are closer to independence.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Because no other place in the world has people encouraging them to continue to use terror from afar, that it can work, with dedicated UN agencies on the ground (employing 30k people). Just look at you guys suggesting Hamas achieved a goal. Even with their leaders dead and a large % of their fighters. Because somehow they are closer to independence.

UN agencies on the ground providing essential support for a local population being kept in terrible conditions.

There's no positive moral judgement of Hamas in saying it likely wanted a strong Israeli response but I strongly suspect they did when they were planning Oct 7th, Many of those involved I'm guessing are fanatical to the cause and were probably willing to die to achieve that.

On the Israeli side my guess would be their response to that is that they know there actions are going to cost them heavily in international support so there aiming to achieve total enthnic cleansing in the short term, attempting to force the entire population out of Gaza.

 

[kflo]

UN agencies on the ground providing essential support for a local population being kept in terrible conditions.

just stop. the idea that they are a globally unique set of "refugees" needing the most special attention in perpetuity is part of the problem.

There's no positive moral judgement of Hamas in saying it likely wanted a strong Israeli response but I strongly suspect they did when they were planning Oct 7th,, Many of those involved I'm guessing are fanatical to the cause and were probably willing to die to achieve that.

i'm guessing some had regrets in their final moments......

On the Israeli side my guess would be their response to that is that they know there actions are going to cost them heavily in international support so there aiming to achieve total enthnic cleansing in the short term, attempting to force the entire population out of Gaza.

since they don't have "international support" (which they knew on 10/8 was going to happen apparently) where are the Gazan's being "cleansed" to? wouldn't they need some international support to cleanse gaza of gazans?

and some gazan's have left gaza. do you think those who want to leave should be given the choice and the UN facilitate their relocation?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

just stop. the idea that they are a globally unique set of "refugees" needing the most special attention in perpetuity is part of the problem.

i'm guessing some had regrets in their final moments......

since they don't have "international support" (which they knew on 10/8 was going to happen apparently) where are the Gazan's being "cleansed" to? wouldn't they need some international support to cleanse gaza of gazans?

and some gazan's have left gaza. do you think those who want to leave should be given the choice and the UN facilitate their relocation?

So your basically saying that the UN agencies in Gaza aren't needed? that the situation there hasnt been terrible for many years now even before latest events?

I'm guessing the Israelis may well have hoped if you had an attempt by the Gazan population en mass move into Egypt the pressure may have been great enough to force them to open the boarder but this hasnt happened. If thats the case that the Israelis have ended up essentially doubling down thinking if they just inflict more misery, make Gaza more unliveable then they'll get that response.

I mean essentially destroying the entire infrastructure of an urban centre of 2 million people whilst killing tens of thousands I don't think its reaching at all to say that this is intended ethnic cleansing at the very least. The targeting of the healthcare infrastructure especially seems obvious to the degree we've now had ambulance workers essentially lured into a trap and slaughtered in cold blood by IDF troops.

 

[Snubnoze707]

So your basically saying that the UN agencies in Gaza aren't needed? that the situation there hasnt been terrible for many years now even before latest events?

They only need help when it's in the form of suitcases of cash that Netanyahu made sure to get directly to Hamas, apparently.

 

[MrShady]

You know it's bad when even Piers Morgan is calling it a War Crime...



Zero accountability from Israel. There NEVER is.

Crickets from SuperAlly and the Pro Israel side.

They'll just call you Pro Hamas for trying to hold the IDF accountable and continue cheerleading the killing of innocent civilians.

Truly full of hatred and evil.

 

[GhostZ06]

SEAD missions

 

[kflo]

So you’re basically saying that the UN agencies in Gaza aren't needed? that the situation there hasnt been terrible for many years now even before latest events?

I am asking you if you think the “situation” in Gaza is unique in the entire world? The “situation” was that Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza almost 20 years ago……what makes them so unique to be so different than everyone else in the entire world? The special status they are afforded, and the resources allocated to them are off the charts. Why? It makes no sense.

I'm guessing the Israelis may well have hoped if you had an attempt by the Gazan population en mass move into Egypt the pressure may have been great enough to force them to open the boarder but this hasnt happened. If thats the case that the Israelis have ended up essentially doubling down thinking if they just inflict more misery, make Gaza more unliveable then they'll get that response.

You’re literally just making shit up though.

I mean essentially destroying the entire infrastructure of an urban centre of 2 million people whilst killing tens of thousands I don't think its reaching at all to say that this is intended ethnic cleansing at the very least.

If they wanted to either genocide or ethnically cleanse, it would be pretty easy for them to accomplish either. Neither is remotely close to true.

The targeting of the healthcare infrastructure especially seems obvious to the degree we've now had ambulance workers essentially lured into a trap and slaughtered in cold blood by IDF troops.

The use of healthcare infrastructure and ambulances by Hamas has “worked” from a PR standpoint.

 

[kflo]

They only need help when it's in the form of suitcases of cash that Netanyahu made sure to get directly to Hamas, apparently.

lol.

You are so quick to quote bibi. Yet there are quotes you will never acknowledge. Yet you’ll continue to pretend you quote bibi…but we both know…..

Here’s one:

“I’m doing everything I can in coordination with security experts to return calm to (Israeli) villages of the south, but also to prevent a humanitarian disaster (in Gaza). It’s a process. I think at this time, this is the right step.”

Here’s the cnn article:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/11/middleeast/gaza-qatar-humanitarian-intl/index.html

CNN —
After months of negotiations, Qatar has delivered $15 million to Gaza, with the intention of paying salaries for Gaza’s civil servants and easing the humanitarian situation.

The money, sent by cash in three large suitcases, was brought into Gaza through Israel on Thursday by Qatar’s envoy to Gaza, Mohamed Al Emadi.

Public broadcaster Israel TV was the first to show a picture of the suitcases and a government source with knowledge of the matter confirmed the picture’s authenticity.


Images from Gaza over the weekend showed Palestinians civil servants lining up to receive the cash, with some people fanning $100 bills in their hands. Hamas ordered post offices to remain open on Friday and Saturday – the normal weekend in Gaza – to handle the cash disbursements, a Hamas spokesman told CNN.
here’s Reuters reporting:

GAZA, Nov 9 (Reuters) - A $15 million Qatari cash infusion was paid out to impoverished Palestinian civil servants in the Gaza Strip on Friday, offering Hamas a potential domestic reprieve though Israel said the money would not go to the dominant Islamist group.

Another uncomfortable fact you’ll never post about:

The funds have been transferred in the form of wads of cash inside suitcases, since Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas decided to block transfers from Palestinian banks to Hamas as tensions between the factions remain high.

 

[Snubnoze707]

"Palestinian Civil Servants" are the same people being blown up by the IDF and called HAMAS right now you clown.

What a shocker. "Bibi" says things in public to make himself look better, while he says things in private that expose himself as a monster.

For some reason you'll take the public puff piece as gospel but ignore the shit he's saying when he's not in front of the press.

When confronted with conflicting comments, I'm going with the one made in private because it's common fucking sense that it's the most plausible truth.

Propping up Hamas in order to divide the Palestinians wasn't just some secret plan being talked about behind the scenes, its literally what happened in the real world, and it wasn't just "Bibi" saying this...

 

[evergreenrider]

Demonic intentions are needed to turn an area to dust and rubble. Wild how only one brand of supremacy is acceptable.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

My post talking about "Genuine Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theory" it making reference to the post directly above it by you containing exactly that coming from that "NK Ultra" account, that is a post which contains Genuine Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theory(or rather several of them), that is stuff which is Genuinely anti-Semitism I think that's a pretty clear condemnation of that account and the material in it isnt it? Surely its obvious I'm NOT saying these theories themselves are Genuine as in they are somehow credible, that I'm using that word before the obvious critical phase "anti-Semitic conspiracy theory" means that I'm saying this is Genuinely anti-Semitic content as a strong negative and that it being "easier to voice than at any point since WW2" is a very bad thing.

Ok I don't know for certain its a far right account(honestly I dont want to be linking to something so unpleasant) but "NK Ultra1" does definitely sound like its making reference to European "Ultra" football hooligans who have a strong association with far right politics and neo nazism(Lazio in italy especially, that's the club Paulo Di Caino did the Nazi salute to the fans). Despite you stating yourself as a strong Islamophobe in the post above I don't ever relate you to the far right, I just say I think the far right is the strongest source of anti-Semitism.

Go to the Douglas Murray thread and you'l see that dispite my strong dislike for the man I also post that he's not wrong to condemn Rogan for platforming anti-Semitism but I point out that people who might support Isreali actions on the right can also be anti-Semitic. I call out people who push the idea that "Churchill was the real villain of WW2" as very likely to be Nazi sympathisers.

The truth is you get some far right types who will be open with there anti-Semitism and look to exploit peoples dislike of Israeli actions to try and sneak it in(not even sneak it in the case of that Republican Marjorie Taylor Green, full in open anti-Semitic conspiracy theory from her linking into "great replacement" conspiracy theory showing things things can absolutely co exist) like that BUT I think there are also far right types who will try and cloak their anti-Semitism who may claim to support Israeli actions and Israel generally due to a shared islamophobia and due to having less a a problem with Jewish people who are not a minority in their own country or just due to political opportunism that doesn't mean there there not still dangerous to Jewish people, arguably even more so as they are more likely to hold significant power.

You look at Trump in the US and dispite a lot of support for Israel I think a lot of his anti establishment talk about economics tends to sound pretty dodgy, he loves to use "Globalist elite" for example which I think ties into people like Victor Orban making reference to that kind of thing and George Soros and yet Bibi is willing to have a good relationship with Orban

Hungarian government campaign renews antisemitism concerns

PM Viktor Orbán seems to be returning to strategy of claiming shadowy global forces are trying to meddle in country’s politics

www.theguardian.com

You see the same with Le Penn's party in France which has a strong history of anti-Semitism and is now trying to cloak it with support for Israeli actions and shared Islamophobia, you know she still has plenty of far right anti-Semitic supporters though. We see it with Meloni as well in Italy were she exploits anti-Semitic far right support(the group involved has direct links back to Italian facism and surprise surprise its still full of anti-Semites) whilst claiming to support Israel.

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I wonder how much more anti-Semitic neo nazi stuff is circulated on Elon "salute" Musk's "free speech" X these days and hasnt Zuckerberg cut back on moderation on both Facebook and Instagram were that content was hosted in an effort to please Trump?

I point out in that original post that I think making cynical claims of anti-Semitism against those critical of Israeli actions has the effect of weakening the term. I don't accuse you of doing this(and whatever our disagreements otherwise yes again I agree with your post above my original one about the nature of that account as clearly anti-Semitic) but this is something which I think is clearly happening especially in the US and Germany, its devaluing the term and making it easier for anti-Semitic Conspiracy theory to spread. That account is a perfect example of what I'm talking about(hence why I posted that comment in response to it), its genuinely anti-Semitism but trying to hide behind(although I think the image is pretty obviously anti-Semitic as well) it takes criticism of Israei actions and uses them in an anti-Semitic fashion looking to relate them to and blame all jews for them (plus links into other content you posted )so that it can claim criticism of it isnt legit because non anti-semtic criticism of Israeli actions gets labelled as such.

I'm guessing that's exactly how it ended up in this thread, it was able to spread on social media in a fashion which it probably wouldn't have been able to in the past because it could hide behind that defence as well as less moderation.

So, your belief that these genuine anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are held more by the far right is based on your assumption that the name of the Instagram account, nk_ultra1, is a reference to the far right ultras in the European soccer community. It's not. It's a parody of the term MKUltra, a psyop program designed by the CIA to study the effect of drugs in interrogations, along with the use of brainwashing and psychological torture. It was speculated that Ted Kaczynski's (the Unabomber) subjection to these experiments may have had a hand in forming his extremist ideologies and his bombing campaign. Your belief that the far right are more likely to subscribe to these genuine anti-Semitic conspiracy theories (again, your words, not mine) than the far left are is completely incorrect.

Secondly, you're making the accusation that my support for Zionism is insincere, and that I'm using it to mask my "Islamphobia." Again, that's incorrect.

First of all, let's go over your frequent use of the term, "Islamophobia," to describe my criticisms of Islam, which I believe to be valid and morally consistent with my secular humanist views. You keep using this loaded language to completely discredit all arguments I've put forth in support of Israel and Zionism and the Jewish people in general. You can see that I tend to wrap the term "Islamophobia" in quotes because I believe it's, by all account, a bullshit buzzword designed to appeal to emotions due to its negative connotations. Since you gave me a semantics lecture regarding the use of the word "genuine" in your post (and I still believe you're a genuine anti-Semite), I suppose it's my turn to return the favor.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, Islamophobia is defined as the unreasonable dislike and fear of, and prejudice against Muslims or Islam.

Right. So I've already mentioned to you that I don't dislike Muslims, but instead, Islamists. I don't want sharia in my country nor do I want to see it being introduced and promoted in Western Civilizations.

Unreasonable dislike and fear of, and prejudice against or Islam.

Well, shit. I don't know what's unreasonable about disliking or being fearful of a religion that permits and/or encourages, implicitly or explicitly, the following practices. Looks like I have to copy and paste my own quote yet again because you lack the fucking balls to address them. No, I'll do you one better and cite my sources this time. Take the time and educate yourself, if you truly possess the moral integrity that you're oh-so-fond of sanctimoniously flaunting:

• Honor killings
• Female genital mutilation
• Forced conversions
• Genocide
• Polygamy
• Dhimmitude (Persecutions of religious minorities)
• Death penalty against apostasy and blasphemy

Looks like you need to get your moral compass re-calibrated, because I sure as hell don't believe it's pointing north.

Thirdly, you implicitly accuse me of being a genuine anti-Semite in disguise who uses the cover of pro-Zionism to mask his ulterior motive.

lol, what the hell. I'm in no mood to give you my life story, so I'll give you a brief background about myself: I happen to be a member of a minority race in my own country of the United States of America, and I happen to find many commonalities between the histories of persecution and the struggles of the Jewish people of and my ancestors.

Since the topic of my so-called "Islamophobia," was discussed, let me fill you in with a brief history of Islam and its role in the persecutions of the Jewish people throughout history with the following bullet points:

• Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, waged war against and committed the ethnic cleansing and genocide of several Jewish tribes in present-day Medina, Saudi Arabia. 1. Banu Qaynuqa 2. Banu Nadir 3. Banu Qurayza

• Jews and Christians in Morocco, Algeria, and al-Andalus (Spain) were subjected to force conversions to Islam under the Almohad Caliphate. Source

• In 1066, a Muslim mob killed and crucified the Jewish vizier, Joseph ibn Naghrela, and committed genocide against the Jews of Granada, Spain. Source

I've got plenty more I can cite, but I think I'm just wasting my time here if you're going to actively ignore some crucial points in my posts and only cherry pick the ones that you're capable of addressing.

Eh, one more:

• The Palestinian Arab nationalist and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini, allied himself with Hitler during World War II and advocated for the Final Solution on the Jews of modern day Israel. Source

I assume you're already familiar with the history of the pogroms committed against and the persecutions of Jews in Europe.

And don't give me this whattaboutism nonsense that Jews were treated better under Muslim rule than those under European/Christian rule like @Koya did. It still fucking happened.

 

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"Palestinian Civil Servants" are the same people being blown up by the IDF and called HAMAS right now you clown.

What a shocker. "Bibi" says things in public to make himself look better, while he says things in private that expose himself as a monster.

For some reason you'll take the public puff piece as gospel but ignore the shit he's saying when he's not in front of the press.

When confronted with conflicting comments, I'm going with the one made in private because it's common fucking sense that it's the most plausible truth.

Propping up Hamas in order to divide the Palestinians wasn't just some secret plan being talked about behind the scenes, its literally what happened in the real world, and it wasn't just "Bibi" saying this...

Exactly as I said you would do. Again.

I’ll quote you again to illustrate how full of shit you are:

Snub: “You don't even accept direct quotes from Benjamin Miliekowsky”

Lol.

And no, they aren’t conflicting at all. They can literally both be true. Israel had no good choices and had to assess the pros and cons (mostly cons) of any strategy. And guess what? The Palestinians divided themselves. They ousted fatah. They elected Hamas. They did that. Israel didn’t want Hamas to be voted in. Gaza did.

 

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Got curious. Heres the updates on 3 of the more heinous elements of israel goverment.

Number three good ole bezalel smotrich

Smotrich says returning hostages ‘not the most important thing,’ sparking fierce backlash

Hostages' families say 'history will remember' far-right minister; top Haredi coalition lawmaker disputes his statement, and opposition politicians say he's 'sacrificing' captives

www.timesofisrael.com

Finance Minster Bezalel Smotrich said Monday that bringing the hostages back from Gaza was “not the most important” goal of the government, a statement that was met with staunch criticism from the families of the hostages and several politicians, including some from the coalition.

Speaking to Radio Galey Israel, the far-right minister said: “We have to say the truth, returning the hostages is not the most important thing.”

“It is obviously a very important goal, but if you want to destroy Hamas so that there can’t be another October 7, you need to understand that there can’t be a situation where Hamas remains in Gaza,” he said.

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If you havent destroyed hamas by now... shithouse operation honestly

Number 2 ben gvir


This is who should meet with Israel’s National Security Minister on his visit to the United States this week: No one. Not a soul.

By shunning Itamar Ben-Gvir, an extremist acolyte of Meir Kahane — who opposed citizenship for Arab Israelis and whose party was designated a terrorist organization by the United States — American Jews would send a clear message to people who may be confused about whether there’s a difference between supporting Israel and supporting its current government.


That’s why it’s unfortunate that Ben-Gvir is scheduled to deliver two talks at Yale University’s Shabtai Society, the university’s premier Jewish intellectual salon.

Giving Ben-Gvir a platform that will inherently suggest his policies and opinions can be treated as legitimate — where he can play statesman, despite being just an extremist in a sportscoat — is a terrible mistake.

He's one of Israel's worst extremists. So why is Yale legitimizing him?

American Jewish groups must shun Israel's National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir whose vision plays into the hands of its critics

forward.com

And of course number one bibi himself

Bar says Netanyahu demanded personal loyalty, obedience to him and not Supreme Court

In court filing, Shin Bet chief says PM wanted agency to act against anti-government protesters, rejects claims he failed to warn PM ahead of Oct. 7, expresses 'deep concern for the State of Israel'

www.timesofisrael.com

Shin Bet security agency chief Ronen Bar told the High Court of Justice on Monday that he had been fired due to expectations from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he be personally loyal to the premier, and said it was made clear to him that he needed to obey Netanyahu and not the Supreme Court in the event of a constitutional crisis.

In a formal statement to the court regarding petitions against the government’s decision to fire Bar, the Shin Bet head insisted he had been fired because of his refusal to meet those expectations of loyalty owing to decisions he made regarding investigations into the prime minister’s aides; his refusal to help Netanyahu avoid testifying in his criminal trial; and the political fallout from the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack.





My disdain for these three stems not just for current actions. But those taken in the past and those they are clearly aiming for in the future..... not just for gaza and the west bank but for israel as well

 

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And no, they aren’t conflicting at all. They can literally both be true.

So you are finally admitting that Israel helped finance Hamas in order to divide the Palestinians. Thanks for admitting it after all this time. That takes courage.

I already acknowledged that a portion of that money went to aid, my argument was that it was primarily to help fund Hamas and it's operations to prevent it from going bankrupt. Nice try but your "gotcha" fell completely flat.