Had Royce fought Gokor Chivichyan in early UFC...

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  1. Ogata

    Ogata Silver Belt

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    Gokor is a big name in grappling and is known to be one of Gene Lebells best prot
     
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    Finally someone mentions this guy! Why hasn't anyone ever brought this up before? Seems like it would have been a topic of conversation at some point in the past......
     
  3. Ogata

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    Here is Gokors epic movie line at 9:42



    EDIT: The topic has been made but there has never been too many responses/discussions!
     
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    I heard that Gokor used to bang people's wives so he could get them to fight him because they were all afraid of him.


    Also, the Ken Shamrock fight was a work so that Gokor would be afraid to fight anyone who even had a tan, let alone a Brazillion, let alone a Gracie.
     
  5. Joker Jiujitsu

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    Gokor vs Rickson would've been a lot more interesting, if the two were in their primes...
     
  6. gspfedkobe24

    gspfedkobe24 Black Belt

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    Gracie family hand picked their opponents do you think they really wanted to fight this beast? GTFOH Goker would beat the entire Gracie family one by one in one night
     
  7. Ogata

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    Gokor doesn't exactly come off like a ladies man so I have a hard time believing him to be some super seductive stud.

    As far as ken goes, Gokor and Ken never fought each other, they used to train and roll together but that's about it!

    Here is their roll:



    Oh and damn, you are a sherdog vet seeing that 2001 join date!
     
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    :icon_lol: Yeah, putting Ken Shamrock in there was sure hand picking opponents. You trolls need to just stop.
     
  9. peytonlucy

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    Gokor and Rickson both claimed to be 400-0 over decades. Rickson is a known liar, as the loss to Tripp is known. Gokor should have acouple of Olympic gold medals in judo if he was as good as claimed.
     
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    I have a list of 30 plus guys that would have given Royce a legitimate challenge.
    I will post it when I get a chance.

    And yes, Gokor Chivichyan is high on that list.
     
  11. Ogata

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    Post the names, I am legit curios about great unknown grapplers of that era.
     
  12. Fujita

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    Gokor would have smashed Royce, subbed him.
     
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    Funaki and Suzuki would have been great match ups.
     
  14. eiyuu

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    Rico Chiapparelli probably could have taken Royce as well (after he had trained BJJ with Renzo.)
     
  15. JosephDredd

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    I thought it was well known there were a few people they turned down because they thought they would be a threat to Royce. I actually thought the handpicking opponents at UFC was just well-known altogether. They openly talk about how they knew Ken was going to be his biggest threat when they were selecting fighters.
     
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    Is Gokor like Armenian Rickson?
     
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    After about 3 UFC's, maybe. At UFC 1, they would have ended up in the RNC too.
    Japanese pro-wrestlers and submission fighters weren't ready for the superior position-based BJJ approach. And neither was Ken Shamrock.

    Those Pancrase guys' submission grappling was extremely vulnerable to position-oriented BJJ.
    They evolved and adapted to the new developments. I think guys like Saku (not Pancrase), Tamura, and Kondo were the next phase in dealing with solid BJJ.

    If Takahashi faced Wallid in 1993, Wallid wins by RNC in under two minutes.
    Being that Takahashi knew what BJJ was when he fought Wallid, he held on to the fence until Wallid got tired, and then he beat Wallid up to take the decision.
    The Wallid/Shoji fight, Sperry/Zinoviev fight, Lewis/Carlson jr, Frye/Bitetti, and even Renzo/Shoji showed that guys were wising up to BJJ. I wonder how Royce or Rickson would have handled those situations.
     
  18. stav

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    Agreed. Ken was a huge threat, and I would say pat smith was def a threat at ufc 2.
    The rest were close to fodder.
     
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    The Gracies ducked him.
     
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    The few threads like this make this forum worthwhile...
     

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