Guys in my wrestling class are disrespecting Jiu-Jitsu

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First I trained gi jiu jitsu, then no gi, then (and still) MMA, with a grappling focus. I recently joined a new gym. It has striking classes, wrestling and MMA but not Jiu Jitsu. Sub grappling is covered in the MMA classes.

I was talking to some of my classmates and one was complaining about people who only want to practise on one side and how last class he had people pulling on his right arm for a throw the whole class and now it's sore. And I said yes you should train symmetrically, that is stupid and annoying, you know what else is stupid and annoying that some training partners do, when I was doing Jiu Jitsu because I am big 90% of the time people instantly pull guard on me. Even if I pull guard too they will just sit and work 50 50 it is impossible for me to train on my back unless I go on top and sweep myself.

After this comment and bearing in mind that I was training BJJ then and am training wrestling now, some of the guys thought I was on board with them and started dissing BJJ and saying how it is soft and people just flop to their backs and their TDs are weak as sh*t and what are you going to do with your BJJ on the street, how are you going to throw up your triangle when a wrestler slams you into side control and holds you down and punches you etc.

I can't really call these guys onto the mats myself to see how useless BJJ really is due to the size difference. And I can't bring a couple of guys their size over from the BJJ class for that purpose because there isn't one. How would you handle this situation? Next class is Wednesday morning.
 
Well, I would probably handle it by choking them. Seeing as how you don't see that as a viable option, I would probably just deal with it, or express that I did not agree if it continued.
 
Why not agree with them? (They're not all together wrong) And then ask them to teach you some mad wrestling skills to compliment your jiu jitsu.
 
I wouldn't worry about a useless thing as someone thinking BJJ is useless. 99% of the population doesn't know what BJJ is and I don't bother correcting them when they ask about my "ground karate". There are bigger things to worry about.
 
A few ideas...

  • Don't respect the tap from now on, if they complain just say "but jiu jitsu doesn't work bro, so it's all good right?"
  • Stop sparring sessions everytime someone reaps the leg and refuse to continue, claiming you "already won via DQ"
  • Refuse to allow your partners to play any sort of guard, in fact to discourage them, pepper them with soccer kicks because that's what happens in teh str33tz
  • Randomly break glass bottles over the matted area to better simulate real life conditions
  • and most importantly...
never, ever, eveeeeeer acknowledge you lose. If you get put in a submission hold, don't tap, it will be a moral victory as they had to use BJJ to defeat you. If you have inferior position the entire session, don't worry, you won the moral victory and displayed better defensive dominance. Refuse to engage in any scoring system as it defies your vale tudo roots. If your opponents bring up good counter points as to why you lost, mumble something about them using too much atleticism and how their technique did not pass the Helio filer.

With these simple tips, you can guarantee that your BJJ will lead you to victory every single time. Congrats you are now a 400-0 street fighter.

GJJ Wins again, dang! keep it playful my friend!
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Concrete Whale said:
First I trained gi jiu jitsu, then no gi, then (and still) MMA, with a grappling focus. I recently joined a new gym. It has striking classes, wrestling and MMA but not Jiu Jitsu. Sub grappling is covered in the MMA classes.

I was talking to some of my classmates and one was complaining about people who only want to practise on one side and how last class he had people pulling on his right arm for a throw the whole class and now it's sore. And I said yes you should train symmetrically, that is stupid and annoying, you know what else is stupid and annoying that some training partners do, when I was doing Jiu Jitsu because I am big 90% of the time people instantly pull guard on me. Even if I pull guard too they will just sit and work 50 50 it is impossible for me to train on my back unless I go on top and sweep myself.

After this comment and bearing in mind that I was training BJJ then and am training wrestling now, some of the guys thought I was on board with them and started dissing BJJ and saying how it is soft and people just flop to their backs and their TDs are weak as sh*t and what are you going to do with your BJJ on the street, how are you going to throw up your triangle when a wrestler slams you into side control and holds you down and punches you etc.

I can't really call these guys onto the mats myself to see how useless BJJ really is due to the size difference. And I can't bring a couple of guys their size over from the BJJ class for that purpose because there isn't one. How would you handle this situation? Next class is Wednesday morning.
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I wrestled and coach currently.. there's two ways to handle it.
1. Address them like men, say you have a problem with it, address issues like a lot of bjj guys can't get good instruction for wrestling or are hobbyists, and that "look at me, im a bjj guy working on my wrestling..am i s pussy? don't be a punk, but don't back down, and say they're entitled to their opinion.. but they need to not say that crap around you. This will actually work if you hold your ground.. saying that, that will get you much further than complaining or getting passive aggressive
2. Get better and choke them out
 
People are ungrateful and arrogant in general. Wrestlers are usually not very smart guys. We all know what happened when jiu jitsu just showed up on the scene and how those wrestlers had to tap all the time. Now they basically learned jiu jitsu too to avoid tapping so many times. A great jiu jitsu guy will always put them to sleep no matter how big they are.
 
BJJChess said:
People are ungrateful and arrogant in general. Wrestlers are usually not very smart guys. We all know what happened when jiu jitsu just showed up on the scene and how those wrestlers had to tap all the time. Now they basically learned jiu jitsu too to avoid tapping so many times. A great jiu jitsu guy will always put them to sleep no matter how big they are.
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Yes. We. Wrestlers.. are. Vary stupid. We not good ats that tinking stuf..or spelling. We not go to Harvard or Cornell.. or academically acclaimed school in Big Ten or big 12. We just dumb meathead who not technical. (Unless you're John Smith.. but NO ONE else!!) We only win fight, with overhand right and muscles. We vary vary stupid, no technical at all. Will you. Teach .me chess bjj sir??

Insert dumb caveman voice

Saying that wrestlers are usually not very smart guys is as fucking stupid as saying almost all bjj guys are pussies.. way to help the discussion

Btw.. barely any of actual world class wrestlers or even that many national champions/all Americans have actually done mma.. and we've had a tiny bit of success

Most of the DI college programs left are at schools in IVY league, right below that like Stanford, Cal Poly Tech, big ten schools like Purdue, Ohio state and on and on. And I can tell you for a fact, wrestlers are not coddled, and given less to do academically like football or basketball players.. over 8 of my team members in college were engineering, chemical engineering, chemistry, or biology students.. oh I guess those are easy majors I guess..:rolleyes:

Like I said, saying bjj guys are pussies is as fucking stupid as saying wrestlers are not very smart...bjj practitioners in general need to understand that most of them have never encountered our truly elite, technical or academic wrestlers because a large majority them become, doctors, CEO's, etc, and/or Olympic athletes
 
That's interesting, the wrestlers I train with always had respect for BJJ and its unique stuff like guard etc, but then again they are wrestlers who came over to BJJ.

Like others said, their opinion doesn't really change anything. You can always point out that most martial arts have their advantages and disadvantages, which is why you are cross-training.
 
Show them UFC 196. Then guillotine them when they shoot.
 
Honestly, I think it's perfectly fine that someone else sees nothing of value in bjj. I don't get caught up in that cult, "jj way of life" flowery shit enough to be bothered by people who are either misinformed, or who agree to disagree.

EDIT: Personally, to me it's all grappling. I'd tell them that all forms of grappling benefit from being combined comprehensively
 
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Two biggest myths of grappling: BJJ guys are weak pussies, wrestlers are just strong and wrestling isn't technical.
 
Usually it's the lower level guys who do t respect it lol, like I've trained with tons of wrestlers, like NCAA all Americans and they've all highly respected BJJ
 
jack36767 said:
I wrestled and coach currently.. there's two ways to handle it.
1. Address them like men, say you have a problem with it, address issues like a lot of bjj guys can't get good instruction for wrestling or are hobbyists, and that "look at me, im a bjj guy working on my wrestling..am i s pussy? don't be a punk, but don't back down, and say they're entitled to their opinion.. but they need to not say that crap around you. This will actually work if you hold your ground.. saying that, that will get you much further than complaining or getting passive aggressive
2. Get better and choke them out
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I have trained in MMA, TMAs and FMAs, so I have heard a lot of shit talking from TMAs and FMAs. More than you would ever hear from a wrestler. It is just so much easier w/ wrestling and BJJ, cause you can just tap them out
 
jack36767 said:
Yes. We. Wrestlers.. are. Vary stupid. We not good ats that tinking stuf..or spelling. We not go to Harvard or Cornell.. or academically acclaimed school in Big Ten or big 12. We just dumb meathead who not technical. (Unless you're John Smith.. but NO ONE else!!) We only win fight, with overhand right and muscles. We vary vary stupid, no technical at all. Will you. Teach .me chess bjj sir??

Insert dumb caveman voice

Saying that wrestlers are usually not very smart guys is as fucking stupid as saying almost all bjj guys are pussies.. way to help the discussion

Btw.. barely any of actual world class wrestlers or even that many national champions/all Americans have actually done mma.. and we've had a tiny bit of success

Most of the DI college programs left are at schools in IVY league, right below that like Stanford, Cal Poly Tech, big ten schools like Purdue, Ohio state and on and on. And I can tell you for a fact, wrestlers are not coddled, and given less to do academically like football or basketball players.. over 8 of my team members in college were engineering, chemical engineering, chemistry, or biology students.. oh I guess those are easy majors I guess..:rolleyes:

Like I said, saying bjj guys are pussies is as fucking stupid as saying wrestlers are not very smart...bjj practitioners in general need to understand that most of them have never encountered our truly elite, technical or academic wrestlers because a large majority them become, doctors, CEO's, etc, and/or Olympic athletes
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Jiu Jitsu guys do not bully wrestlers, it's almost always OTHER WAY around. Even Karl Gotch said something like : Gracies are idiots and by pulling guard they make my job half done.
I mean it's the mentality of a big guy. And then you hear stories like those Mark Shulz vs Rickson, Bob Andersson vs Rolles, etc. but yeah, guard is shit and let's just pick them up and slam them to the ground... jesus...
 
That's crazy talk, I've NEVER heard wrestlers disrespect BJJ or say those exact things about it. Ever.
 
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