Gustavsson made Jones wrestling look amateurish

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...with no experience in competition and after only a relative short amount of time training.

Surely that means Jones wrestling is overrated?

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Did he even take Jones wrestling soul :icon_lol:
 
Agreed about making Jones' wrestling look bad. But maybe it's because Gus is really skilled and trained wisely for this fight, not that JJ is overrated.
 
Over and out** said:
stephan bonnar. lol. when was that guy ever relevant? thats all you got?
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and gus is relevant? lol you twat.

come back when gus has beat anyone in top 10 LHW who isnt a washed up shogun.

lol @ delusional gus fans clutching at straws
 
Yeah but Jonathan rag-dolls blown up middleweights so that makes him #1 pound for pound fighter. Or something like that.
 
Community college champ...amateur you say?

but yes, his wrestling wasnt much of a factor tonight. Which was a huge surprise. Gus with his striking skill, chin, and now excellent TDD. We may have the new Chuck.
 
Jones hardly wrestled in the fight though. Jones made Jones' wrestling look bad. Any wrestling coach would be screaming his lungs out and telling him to commit to them.
 
Jones had an off night and still won.
 
USAWrestler209 said:
Jones hardly wrestled in the fight though. Jones made Jones' wrestling look bad. Any wrestling coach would be screaming his lungs out and telling him to commit to them.
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Probably didn't want to blow his load.
 
I've been writing novels on how Alex is exceptionally strong and have developed his wrestling. Must've posted like a million gifs of it. He's been tossing around +100kg guys like they're made of paper for close to two years now so it's nothing new.
 
Or maybe Gus trains that hard and is that good to make Jones look bad?
 
Gustafsson had tremendous TDD this fight. Jones going only 1 for 12 (or as the UFC later updated, 1 for 11) in TD must do a number on Jones's wrestling confidence. Jones, who said just a day or two before the fight, that Phil Davis's grappling "took (Gustafsson's) soul," should be eating humble pie after Gustafsson thoroughly neutralized Jones's wrestling. Just by watching this fight, it would look like Jones did not know how to wrestle...that's how good Gustfasson is. Of course Jones is an incredibly strong wrestler who knows how to effectively use his leverage on people, but the fact that he went 1 FOR 12 has to be humbling...or at least reason to praise Gustafsson's incredible grappling, which has seemingly improved leaps and bounds in a very short time. Jones tried everything, from trips to double legs, and was able to get one off on a rocked and very tired Gustafsson (Jones is a warrior to power through it all), but yes, Gustafsson made one of Jones's greatest strengths look amateur. Jones's most effective weapon was his unorthodox striping (the elbow in the 4th), not his wrestling and most certainly not his supposedly improved boxing.

Yesterday, who would've thought Jones would've went 1 for 12 in takedowns with Gustafsson making Jones's wrestling, one of his greatest skill sets, look weak? Gustafsson made Jones's boxing look weak, but we know Jones was never really a strong boxer (but a very effective MMA striker nonetheless), but Gustafsson also made Jones look like he was not really much of a wrestler at all. Jones always talks about beating people at their own game and demoralizing them (one of the hallmarks of a Jackson gameplan), but if anything, Gus probably demoralized Jones by completely nullifying what is arguably Jones's strongest skill: wrestling (while also handily beating Jones in the striking for the overwhelming majority of the fight).

Both fighters are absolute warriors but Gustafsson proved he's very strong and very skilled tonight, and his stock will soar because of tonight's performance.
 
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USAWrestler209 said:
Jones hardly wrestled in the fight though. Jones made Jones' wrestling look bad. Any wrestling coach would be screaming his lungs out and telling him to commit to them.
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This. It was pretty clear what he was focused on before and during the fight.
But Gus also showed he is a better/more improved mma-wrestler than most people thought. Also, this isn't wrestling, and Jones isn't a grinder.
 
flanellograf said:
This. It was pretty clear what he was focused on before and during the fight.
But Gus also showed he is a better/more improved mma-wrestler than most people thought. Also, this isn't wrestling, and Jones isn't a grinder.
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Jon went for more than 10 takedowns...he was committing but Gus was stuffing them.
 
flanellograf said:
This. It was pretty clear what he was focused on before and during the fight.
But Gus also showed he is a better/more improved mma-wrestler than most people thought. Also, this isn't wrestling, and Jones isn't a grinder.
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thaaaank you

Jones came into the fight to strike, to try and prove a point. A bad point since later in the fight he realised he better start trying to take gus down. Jones was gassed by the end. Where was Greg Jackson at to tell Jones to stop being so cocky >.<

almost cost me my parlay...
 
KlNG said:
Jon went for more than 10 takedowns...he was committing but Gus was stuffing them.
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He didn't commit much and Gus wasn't really "stuffing" them. He would just spastically jerk and run away whenever Jones grabbed him or got near. Jones had trouble getting his hands on him or a decent grip on him.
 
KlNG said:
Jon went for more than 10 takedowns...he was committing but Gus was stuffing them.
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So? That doesn't change anything I said.
Btw, he wasn't really committing all that much, he bailed pretty quickly on most of them, and most of them weren't really very well timed.
 
Ughugh said:
I've been writing novels on how Alex is exceptionally strong and have developed his wrestling. Must've posted like a million gifs of it. He's been tossing around +100kg guys like they're made of paper for close to two years now so it's nothing new.
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Sure, but are you saying Jones looked bad only because of Gus strenght?
 
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