Gustafsson is more versatile than Rumble is, both in his usage of wrestling and striking diversity together. It isn't even debatable. He may not be much more versatile but he's more versatile.
It's actually very debatable! And easily winnable for a Rumble fan. The fact that you think it isn't, just shows your bias :icon_lol:
Especially after you specifically said that Jones won the stand up because he had more striking options that Gus did...I could quote you from just a couple posts ago, but I hope you're not that fickle just yet.
As for wrestling, Rumble has won plenty of fights mixing takedowns. He has the background and wrestling credentials that Gus of course hasn't. Rumble has proven EXTREMELY hard to take down, especially at his natural weight these last few fights against proven wrestlers, and even at heavyweight against better grapplers than Gus.
Gus clearly wants to be a striker, and has never shown anything other than a sporadic takedown with no significant top game. But I'm sure you'll still reference fights where Rumble was cutting to the point of death.
The usage of wrestling by Gus will not be a factor against Rumble. If he can stop Davis and Rosholt and Arlovski, it won't be much of an issue. Gus could hit a random trip or 10 second thing like he did against Jones, but it's much more likely Rumble would do it to Gus.ff
Gus is a boxer with decent takedown defense. That's what he brings to the table. He's really fucking good at it...but that's it. If you can take him down, or beat him standing (like Jones did), he has no answer. It's not like he's going to take you down and submit you or pound you out, haha.
Who knows if his kicking defense is better but I don't see Rumble easily landing a head kick on a 6'5 target either. There's quite a height difference and he's seen that weapon of Rumble's already (and mentioned it).
That's right, no one knows! So how about we look at his actual fights, and take something from it. Radical, I know. But this CRAZY method usually proves true.
Rumble fought AA, who has very similar dimensions to Gus. Rumble didn't have any problem with the range (OMG, semantics might not work for you this post!!! haha). So based on the actual evidence we both have, the reach won't be an issue.
Gustafsson wrestled him for a bit, yeah. So what? This is MMA. Manuwa was still outstruck and got knocked out. It wasn't because of the eye poke either. He got caught with a right hook while exiting after missing a big overhand right, backed up to the fence and teed off on.
You completely missed the point (or most likely, AVOIDED it) that Gus got hit hard by the best strikers he has faced, every time...because he has poor striking defense!!
Meaning, it isn't his defense that has improved, it's just that he wrestled his last good striker instead of standing with him. That was my point, and still is. He has shown ZERO improvement in striking defense, and you have no reason to think he has.
I bet he can't wrestle Rumble. And Rumble is the best striker he has ever faced...so yeah, problems for Gus.
You don't even know what RANGE is so I'm not going to bother trying to help you with the finer points of it all. Again, I gave two reasons already. Go back and read up. And what does getting injured have to do with any deficiencies in his striking? LOL. You're trolling because you can't possibly be this dumb.
This is just sad :-( I hope you were just trying to get a rise out of me. Distance and Range are actually synonyms. I'm not ever going to act like I'm some badass on Sherdog, because it's so ridiculous, but I've trained and fought like most others have. I was having fun debating you until you got this stupid...
I've seen footage of Gus so I don't need to train with him. Not that it revealed anything noteworthy apart from the usual drilling and heavy bag + mitt work. When I say "think" or "hoping" that means it's speculative.
OMG that's hilarious...Hey, I just watched a UFC insider show where I saw one of my favorite fighters wrestling!!! Now I know he's sooo much better at wrestling!! C'mon dude, there was like a 2 minute segment on it!!! Haha, wow...
You just wrote a whole lot of nothing and it explained nothing. I think it's safe to say that I know a little bit more than you at this stage. You likely got banned from a previous account that had a few hundred posts and are back on your white belt account. Well, we all have to start somewhere. At least now you know what 'range' is though. :icon_lol: In fact, check into clinch range, boxing range and kicking range. You'll be a student of the game in no time my man.
I've never been banned, because I very rarely post. It takes a good amount of bullshit, parading as actual knowledge, to get me to respond. So congratulations, your tedious bullshit got a response, just because it was pretty damn stupid, and I just started my vacation from my business.
And Jones vs. Gustafsson, despite what you claim about Jones being a shit striker. If that was the case then he wouldn't have dropped Machida and outstruck all of his competition, except Gustafsson himself (I value damage and significant strikes to the head and body more, don't know about you).
Of course you think Gus beat Jones, correct?. I'm just curious from talking to other Gus nuthuggers, how do you see Gus improving on his first fight with Jones, vs what Jones could improve on for a second fight? Based on your amazing psychic skills to gauge improvements without actually seeing them in fights, I'm very interested to here what you have to say how a second fight between them would go.
And Gustafsson still outstruck both Thiago and Shogun. He dropped Thiago in the first half minute of the fight. He dropped Shogun early in their fight as well. Believe what you want but don't think Rumble has a great chance, he has a puncher's chance at best.
He did outstrike them. After taking many haymakers to the face, and looking pretty awkward doing so. If shot Shogun can do it, Rumble can do it, and finish him. Will it happen? I don't think so. I have Gus by point fighting decision. But saying Gus is leagues above Rumble is just ridiculous. And saying Rumble couldn't catch Gus is even stupider.
Again, referencing a fight that happened 5 years ago while Gustafsson was a part-time fighter working as a bouncer. Hmmm. Rumble lost to a Lightweight bro. :icon_lol: He then lost to a Welterweight and a Middleweight. Losing to Rich Clementi and Koscheck is a bit embarrassing, don't you think? And Davis was a gift match up for Rumble and everybody knew it ahead of time. Davis has never been a good striker and even his takedowns aren't great. When Gus fought him back then he stuffed him 4 or 5 times before he finally got the takedown he needed to submit him.
I'm referencing a common opponent. Obviously, you can't do the same without losing your point. That is all. I can also reference top wins at LHW, and even HW. Would you like to compare those? Rumble has more of those as well, and more recently. And, he hasn't lost time to a knee injury, like your boy has.
All I'm saying is, you are DRASTICALLY over-looking Rumble. He is much more proven, is a better striker than guys how have already hit Gus hard. If Gus does as Gus has always done, he could very easily be in trouble.
Rumble can hit Gus. You have absolutely no reason to think he won't, aside from
'reading' and guessing that he 'might' keep his hands up more. All the excuses you are making for Gus's past performances are just stupid. Just stop, for yours and Gus's sake.
