Gustafsson @HW?

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  1. Stalkingsquid

    Stalkingsquid Green Belt

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    JDS would box Gustaffson around the octagon, Ngannou and Overeem would absolutely obliterate Gus, Stipe would probably UD him.

    I'm just not high on Gus, hes a skinny tall LHW for a reason. He'd get bodied at HW. Hes got bad losses to Jones and Rumble, squeaked past Blachovich(I know I spelt that wrong) and already has a loss to DC.
     
  2. Final Say

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    Curtis Blaydes by UD or TKO
     
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    lol No,
    Why you think that? because he put Jon in hospital?
     
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    Gus has trouble against big and strong athletic and explosive fighters.
     
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    Curtis Blaydes striking is dogshit, I honestly don't think he can take a healthy Gus down and keep him down. Gus tussled with DC for 5 rounds and he also took him down.
     
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    Just black ones lol
     
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    Thats's exactly why.

    Without Gus, Jones has zero relevant years aside from DC years ago.
     
  8. Melas Chasma

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    He could weigh around 240 lbs and have a similar body fat % than most of the HWs. He has already said before he feels very strong and fast weighing around 240lbs, so who knows.. But he wont move up, he is like Jones in that sense.
     
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    I don't know about that, last fight he was only a little heavier than he normally is and he looked a fat compared to his normal appearance.
     
  10. vanillaisis

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    Not right now but if Gus takes his career seriously and trains real hard, and kind of cherry picks his opponents the first couple years he might possibly be champ in about 5 years. He would have a chance. The Top 10 at HW is all old as fuck. He just has to wait them out.
     
  11. Pancake Sprawl

    Pancake Sprawl WAR IGOR!!!11

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    weight might be fluid, but bone structure isn't. Jon Jones will never be as big as Ngannou, even on his steroids he couldn't reach the size of Ngannou. Ngannou is only an inch taller and has a shorter wingspan, but his bone structure is thick and huge compared to Jon Jones thin and light build.

    that's why Ngannou hits like a ford escort and Jon Jones is a volume striker.

    Mark Hunt is also a fat HW at 5'10 but he would never be able to fight at LHW. look at him. his head is bigger than most guys chests at LHW. he might be short but his bone structure is fuckin enormous.
     
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    ferrisjso Goat Lawyer

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    I'm open to this but the more time has passed I've tended to see it as an explanation for people's inability to diet. Fact is that bone structure must be pretty fucking rare given how few 5 foot 11 people even in the old days were HW's. I remember when DC moved to 205 people legit thought he was risking his life to go to 205. Not buying it, losing weight from what you typically are is a huge lifestyle change and a challenge but that doesn't mean we got to borderline make up stuff. I'm not an expert on bone structure but the truth is people weighing a certain amount who aren't fat or extremely skinny overwhelmingly tend to fall in a certain range and you don't see too many exceptions. Don't really see reason to believe there's a diverse range of bone structures, find it more likely a really short HW or a really tall WEC division guy is an outlier in terms of how much they weigh.

    Yeah Hunt wouldn't be able to lose the weight but he's 5 foot 10. Also I get weight loss is hard, I lost 60 pounds once it requires a huge lifestyle change and I can only imagine how difficult that must be in the 30's when people start getting fatter naturally. But that doesn't mean it's not possible, means they are choosing(maybe for good reason) that option isn't worth it.
     
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    of course Hunt is an outlier, there's barely any 5'10 HWs who aren't tubs of lard. Hunt isn't that fat if you compare him to other guys of the same weight and height. he's much larger than DC is and he's like what, 2 inches taller? if even that.

    he's not even as fat as that Big Pretty guy who beat him.

    people were worried about Cormier's health cutting to 205lb not because he's some giant, it's because he had kidney problems and was putting his life in jeopardy when he was cutting in the Olympics, and because of that, that is the reason why he was a HW when he came to MMA. so everyone thought he'd be putting more stress on his body cutting to 205lb, but it's clearly not the case. the only reason it was troubling is because he fucked his body earlier in life, not because he's a huge human being.

    it just happens to be that he has a good style and understands how to use his size to gain advantages.

    it's also not just about size, it's also about how do you stack up against your future weight class's top guys? sure, Gus can beat guys like Justin Willis, Tybura, Abdurakhimov etc., but can he beat Ngannou? JDS? Overeem? Volkov? Black Beast?

    but the bone structure thing is just one aspect. there's also the aspect of how your genetics work. there's some people who won't be able to shed the weight as easily as others and it's not because they're lazy.

    for example, on BMI calculators it specifically says that it doesn't apply to Polynesians.
     
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  14. ZekaPeka

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    Not really. People say that hw is not deep but top 10 hws are well established killers unlike lhws which is dead division. Therr are upcoming talent for surr but they need to prove. Walker, rakic, roundtree. Huge potential.

    But gus vs Stipe, blaydes, ngannou, jds, reem, dc. Big no
     
  15. erron

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    in my opinion he would get shit on at hw.
     
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    i think at this point, he has a better chance at hw. he doesn't have to come in fat but if he's around 230 and keeps his crisp boxing and TDD i don't see why not?
     
  17. Dinamita09

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    What about Randy? Captain America won titles at both lhw and hw
     
  18. moreorless87

    moreorless87 Disarming Posting

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    As he said started at HW, moved down to LHW and then back up.

    I think part of the problem is that the move up to HW is probably the biggest increase in power. Someone like Gus gets hit quite a lot at LHW in a fashion you just can't get away with consistently at HW.
     
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  19. Dinamita09

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    Had to go back and re-read the original post I quoted, I missed the last bit, thanks for pointing that out
     
  20. JKS

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    Randy is like Cormier, a former HW that moved down to LHW and then back up again. I was more referring to guys that were LHWs to start their careers and then had a successful move up years later. Like in the case of Jones, Gus, etc. The only one I can think of is Reem.
     

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