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Guilty until proven innocent, how a bureaucrat can strip you of citizenship.

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  1. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ce9c9b2e3914

    Interesting read, sounds like something i would expect from a police state.

    EDIT

    Beyond the Trump, identity politics and racial profiling etc, etc.

    The reason i shared this article, is because how they can strip you of your citizenship without even a trial, just like civil forfeiture stripping you of your property.

    Its scary as fuck TBH.
     
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  2. WaylonMercy5150 Silver Belt

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    Post the article because it says I have to pay for it and that is certainly not happening.
     
  3. Cubo de Sangre President of the War Room

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    Sounds unprincipled and unnecessary. Secure the border, deport the illegals who commit crimes, and expand legal immigration.
     
  4. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    You can avoid most news paywalls by going incognito mode or flushing your browser.
     
  5. oldshadow Steel Belt

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    This part might be important.

    "The government alleges that from the 1950s through the 1990s, some midwives and physicians along the Texas-Mexico border provided U.S. birth certificates to babies who were actually born in Mexico. In a series of federal court cases in the 1990s, several birth attendants admitted to providing fraudulent documents.

    Based on those suspicions, the State Department during the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations denied passports to people who were delivered by midwives in Texas’s Rio Grande Valley."
     
  6. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    The part is almost irrelevant to the point i was trying to convey.

    If the executive branch has proof that a particular individual is not a citizen then it should be a matter of proving it in court. Otherwise the wording of the article seems to imply that there is no limit to the powers of immigration to strip you of your citizenship.

    You have a legal State issued document, you are not the one upon which the burden of proof should bear.
     
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    Not for us multi nationals. Take care of yourself don't expect anyone to do it for you.
     
  8. GSP_37 Titanium Belt

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    White supremacist gov't appointees being cruel. What else is new?
     
  9. oldshadow Steel Belt

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    They can refuse to issue a passport because of suspect documentation. Getting a passport is not a right.

    Now to deport someone should require due process.
     
  10. Kaliph of Kush Hashishiyan Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Seems like someone told Trump about Mexican repatriation and he thought it sounded like a neat idea.
    Did you keep reading and get to this part? I think its also important...
     
  11. oldshadow Steel Belt

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    So take it to the courts and see what they say.
     
  12. Kaliph of Kush Hashishiyan Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    And for those who can't afford it? Just let em get fucked by the state? I hope you don't call yourself a small government conservative elsewhere...

    Btw there's this part as well
    Pretty obvious Trump just wants to get rid of as many brown Democrats as possible to help out his team in the upcoming midterm election. He and his cronies are fucking scum.
     
  13. Cubo de Sangre President of the War Room

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    Why not?
     
  14. luckyshot Caustically Optimistic Platinum Member

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    Trumptards, you see why a wall is a dumb idea?

    Mexicans are sneaky.
     
  15. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Freedom of movement is indeed a right, without a passport that right is restricted.
     
  16. Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Same argument with civil forfeiture, but why should a citizen be subject to a "guilty until proven innocent" legal hell because of the decision of a bureaucrat.
     
  17. oldshadow Steel Belt

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    As I said any deportation should require due process.

    Getting a passport is something different .
     
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    No more right then getting a driver license.

    So me where rather are a right.
     
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    You can move from state to state with no passport that's the only freedom of movement that is a right.
     
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    If getting a passport was a right I would agree due process would be required to take that right away.
     

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