guillotine/twister from a wrasslers POV

i got pinned by that last year and let me tell you that it fucking sucks
 
I submitted a guy with a bastardized version of EB a few weeks ago. Works good but be careful w/training partners. You can screw someone's neck up pretty easy.
 
Yes it's legal. Sometimes the ref will stop it as potentially dangerous if you keep cranking on the arm and the guy won't can't roll over. If you grip your hands together around the opponent's neck you also have to have an arm inside your arm circle.

The above applies to folkstyle wrestling.
 
I noticed in one video that the ref was focused on watching the wrestler's shoulders to see if he was pinned, but he was oblivious to the fact that the guy was in serious pain.

Seems like using a potentially dangerous submission move to get a pin in a wrestling match is a BAD idea, especially since the refs probably will not recognize it as such and the wrestler applying the move will just crank the hell out it until the other guy is injured and/or pinned.

We've seen how wrestling has influenced MMA. I guess now we're seeing the reverse.
 
Uncle Fester said:
We've seen how wrestling has influenced MMA. I guess now we're seeing the reverse.
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that move has been in wrestling well before mma existed
 
Uncle Fester said:
I noticed in one video that the ref was focused on watching the wrestler's shoulders to see if he was pinned, but he was oblivious to the fact that the guy was in serious pain.

Seems like using a potentially dangerous submission move to get a pin in a wrestling match is a BAD idea, especially since the refs probably will not recognize it as such and the wrestler applying the move will just crank the hell out it until the other guy is injured and/or pinned.

We've seen how wrestling has influenced MMA. I guess now we're seeing the reverse.
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Most refs don't care if the kid is in pain or choking as they get pinned... they figure it will be over soon anyways....

I had a kid in a head and arm once and he started tapping.... the ref told him, "don't worry it'll all be over soon"
 
largeman said:
that move has been in wrestling well before mma existed
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Yeah... Bravo said that he got the move from wrestling but it was called the twister because BJJ already named a hold "the guillotine." However, he was the one who created the set up from side control
 
One of my favorites. The only move that might be more painful depending on your flexibility is the banana split/ spread eagle. I use both.
 
Well I was never a wrestler, but was smart enough never to get in a fight with one.

Dayum.

You'd think Bravo would have tried his hand at MMA.
 
Most refs don't care if the kid is in pain or choking as they get pinned... they figure it will be over soon anyways....
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If you think about it,giving up the pin is almost a submission. many times a pin is generated from the other guy simply giving up.
 
knoxpk said:
If you think about it,giving up the pin is almost a submission. many times a pin is generated from the other guy simply giving up.
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Specially in folkstyle and you have to hold them down for 2 seconds.
 
2 second pin in folkstyle???...thats totally wrong, if the shoulder blades are down for just a fraction of a second, its a pin
 
I have to agree with everyone else on this. As thewrestlers who are "leg riders" will
know that this is actually a difficult move to pin someone with, they usually pin themselves from the pain. Also a cross body or one leg ride is one of the most under utilized positions in folkstyle it opens up the banana split / spread eagle, pump handle tilts, etc.
 
largeman said:
2 second pin in folkstyle???...thats totally wrong, if the shoulder blades are down for just a fraction of a second, its a pin
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In college it is basically a touch fall. In high school and below it is supposed to be two seconds but is usually closer to one in reality. The younger the competitors, the longer the fall, in general.
 
Uncle Fester said:
Seems like using a potentially dangerous submission move to get a pin in a wrestling match is a BAD idea, especially since the refs probably will not recognize it as such and the wrestler applying the move will just crank the hell out it until the other guy is injured and/or pinned.
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I've caught people in the gullitone in matches and have had refs basically tell me not to crank it any further.

The refs know the dangers of the move and will stop it accordingly if someone is getting hurt.
 
ive never tried the gullotine/twister in a wrestling match, just heard that the rules to the move was you can lock hands around head, but only allowed to start cranking after a couple seconds

if i got a hook in, i would just power half and try for the pin anyways
 
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