Guillard was never that good...

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  1. Lionheart7167

    Lionheart7167 Orange Belt

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    Not trolling here. Just glossing over his record and wanted to make a few points.

    Guillard is 3-8 with 2 NC's in his last 13. The 3 wins are against so-so competition in Gesias, Mac and Camoes; Not exactly what you'd call high caliber competition. Props for smashing Rickels though.

    Any time Guillard faced remotely tough competition (Miller, Lauzon, Diaz, Cerrone) he got schooled. Could never get over the hump.

    Sure, he went on a 5 fight tear in the UFC, and a 3 fight tear, but once again it comes down to competition. The biggest "names" on those win streaks were Tibau and Stephens; two dudes who are gatekeepers at best.

    It's a shame that Guillard has let drugs, weight cuts and a bad attitude fuck up his career. I truly believe that he is a physical specimen at lightweight and could have been an all-time great. He had immense power, speed and athleticism. He could never get over the mental though, and that's the biggest part of the fight game. Thoughts??? Do you think he was overrated??? Underrated???
     
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    INTERL0PER Brown Belt

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    He had great physical traits, but terrible fight IQ.

    It's impossible to be a great fighter without a great mental game.
     
  3. The Reed

    The Reed Red Belt

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    No offense but using a guys last 13 fights as a reason for them 'never being that good' isn't a great argument but I tend to agree. I always found him pretty overrated but his potential was almost unmatched and only held back by his own personal demons. It's a bit of a shame really but maybe the personality traits that made him such a successful, wild brawler at times, also made him the type to lack discipline. Kinda like Manhoef.
     
  4. manboy<3

    manboy<3 don't card me bro

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    i disagree about having high fight IQ being a requirement for top fighters

    look at Rumble he's a simpleton but he's an all explosive and athletic physical force and he is a contender

    You can be a good fighter by just having physical tools + being E and A in a shallow division like LHW but not in a deep division like LW
     
  5. 007

    007 License to Kill

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    Never liked him and have been watching him since small casino shows in Louisiana
     
  6. tenniswhiz

    tenniswhiz Steel Belt

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    Shane Roller
    Evan Dunham
    Denis Siver
    Gleison Tibau
    Jeremy Stephens
    Mac Danzig

    He was very good.
    He was in a very deep and talented division.
     
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    NHB7 Steel Belt

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    He never was great, agreed. Like you TS, I don't think most people are debating that he was an all time great, just that his natural physical abilities gave him the potential to be and we wonder how it all got squandered.
     
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    People know he has a drug problem but I wonder if Ufc or Bellator offer to get him serious help?
     
  9. gotBooched

    gotBooched maximus entertainus

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    Biggest waste of talent possibly ever
     
  10. greenskye23

    greenskye23 Blue Belt

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    This. That five fight tear he was on was no joke good comp and he looked like an absoulute beast during this time
     
  11. Phrozenspite

    Phrozenspite Black Belt

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    bellator seems more likely to have been banking on having a guillard vs war machine freakshow.
     
  12. Lionheart7167

    Lionheart7167 Orange Belt

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    "Shane Roller
    Evan Dunham
    Denis Siver
    Gleison Tibau
    Jeremy Stephens
    Mac Danzig

    He was very good.
    He was in a very deep and talented division."

    Those dudes are all completely serviceable but their also all fringe top 10ers themselves. I guess I should amend my statement. Guillard was never that GREAT. He was pretty beastly when he fought them
     
  13. Tiradentes

    Tiradentes Orange Belt

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    yea yea nobody is ever any good except some flavour of the month and yourself ofcourse. although you probably accomplished nothing, ever, it somehow makes you the one to judge who is any good at anything.
     
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    marvinparsons Green Belt

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    Guillard was a good fighter, he just never figured out how to put it all together.
     
  15. Kinger85

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    I don't think anyone ever though Melvin was GREAT. Good at times. But never great.
     

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