GSP's legacy is overblown and overrated

Really feels like you’re cherry picking certain guys and then measuring to the tail end of their career rather than a set amount of time after their fights with GSP.

I’m not opposed to accumulating data but if the goal is to use that data to paint an accurate picture then let’s be consistent with it.

If I was to run the numbers I would make the following changes/rules; we measure a set amount of fights on either side of their fights with Georges. I think 5 is a good number but 3 or 4 I think would be fine too. Let’s look only at title fights he won since we’re assessing the value of his victories as champion. If we do that we get the following.

GSP Opponents

Matt Hughes

Before: 5-0

After: 3-2

Matt Serra

Before:3-2

After: 1-3

Jon Fitch

Before: 5-0

After: 5-0

BJ Penn

Before: 3-2

After: 3-2

Thiago Alves

Before: 5-0

After: 2-3

Dan Hardy

Before: 5-0

After: 2-3

Josh Koscheck

Before: 4-1

After: 2-3

Jake Shields

Before: 5-0

After: 3-1-1

Carlos Condit

Before: 5-0

After: 2-3

Nick Diaz

Before: 4-1

After: 0-1-1

Johnny Hendricks

Before: 5-0

After: 2-3

Michael Bisping

Before: 5-0

After: 0-1



Total: 79-31-2

Before: 54-6

After: 25-25-2

When we look at it this way we do see some guys posting rough records after their fights with GSP, but a couple break the mould and go on tears regardless of their loss. We also see that GSPs opponents in title fights had incredible success prior to their lost championship bids.

Make of this what you like but let’s at least be consistent with how we handle data.
You are trying to reason with a traumatised hater.
 
Really feels like you’re cherry picking certain guys and then measuring to the tail end of their career rather than a set amount of time after their fights with GSP.

I’m not opposed to accumulating data but if the goal is to use that data to paint an accurate picture then let’s be consistent with it.

If I was to run the numbers I would make the following changes/rules; we measure a set amount of fights on either side of their fights with Georges. I think 5 is a good number but 3 or 4 I think would be fine too. Let’s look only at title fights he won since we’re assessing the value of his victories as champion. If we do that we get the following.

GSP Opponents

Matt Hughes

Before: 5-0

After: 3-2

Matt Serra

Before:3-2

After: 1-3

Jon Fitch

Before: 5-0

After: 5-0

BJ Penn

Before: 3-2

After: 3-2

Thiago Alves

Before: 5-0

After: 2-3

Dan Hardy

Before: 5-0

After: 2-3

Josh Koscheck

Before: 4-1

After: 2-3

Jake Shields

Before: 5-0

After: 3-1-1

Carlos Condit

Before: 5-0

After: 2-3

Nick Diaz

Before: 4-1

After: 0-1-1

Johnny Hendricks

Before: 5-0

After: 2-3

Michael Bisping

Before: 5-0

After: 0-1



Total: 79-31-2

Before: 54-6

After: 25-25-2

When we look at it this way we do see some guys posting rough records after their fights with GSP, but a couple break the mould and go on tears regardless of their loss. We also see that GSPs opponents in title fights had incredible success prior to their lost championship bids.

Make of this what you like but let’s at least be consistent with how we handle data.
I actually really appreciate this response as it was well thought and provided data against my argument. But in the big picture, how a fighter ends their career is how they end. We can't manipulate the stats to show almost the end, I illustrated the actual end stats. Fitch is the only fighter with a winning record and that's probably because he was fighting outside the ufc although I have always thought fitchs career is underrated.
We also should uncover who georges opponents beat to even get to a title fight. Its not a really impressive list.
 
GOATsp still dominating Sherdog boards after all these years! And he's still training with top level guys while BJ Penn gets bullied by average barroom brawlers....
 
imo GSP was the smartest and most strategic fighter in history. The Alves fight is a perfect example. Take away your opponents strengths, which in Thiago's case was his striking...

And that's exactly what he did..

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Time and time again..

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Gsp vs Khabib would have been hot fire!
 
Let's examine his level of comp from their title fight forward:

Josh koscheck- went 2-7 to finish his career and georges was the only one who couldn't finish him

Alves went 6-10 to finish his career

Dan the outlaw hardy went 2-4 to finish his career

Condit went 4-8

Matt serra went 1-3

Hughes went 4-4 and was already in his late 30s

Bj 3-10-1

Is it safe to say that Georges really just caught lightning in a bottle if you will, and got all of these guys on the tail end of their careers like he did with Bisping. Not one finish other than the serra rematch.

Georges only has 2 legends on his resume and one of those fights is shrouded in disgrace so its really just one legend in Hughes.

Andersen has 4
Bones has 8
Fedor has 9
Amanda Nunes has 4

All of the fighters mentioned above all have finishes over other all time greats.

Gsp only has one finish against a career .500 LW who moved up.

I think its time to rewrite history to tell the true story of Georges career.

It was a good career, but not on the level of the real goat fighters.
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Not one response to debunk my opinion, just a bunch of anger and name calling. Somebody go ahead and justify why I'm wrong. Every single Georges title opponent had a losing record to finish their careers except Fitch. Fitch and shields are high level wins thus they were not mentioned here.
Everything you've posted has been debunked repeatedly, you just choose to ignore it. Your head is so far up your own ass you can't even see it.

Stay salty my friend
 
Dan hardy beat these 3 guys to earn his title shot in one of the worst performances by Georges in his career:
Mike swick
Split decision robbery over Marcus Davis
Rory Markham

Alves beat:
Koscheck
35 year old Hughes
Washed out Karo

Kos beat
Disgraceful lay and pray over Daley
Disgraceful fake knee fault over emaciated 177lb Rumble rip
39 year old frank trigg

Matt serra beat
Gifted split decision over llytle
Two exhibition bouts against shonie carter and Pete spratt


These contenders weren't exactly beating great comp and in kos case, he cheated his way over rumble.

Why are you saying that beating
Thiago alves
Dan hardy
Matt serra
Nick Diaz
Carlos condit
Lw bj Penn greased to do it
One eyed 40 year old cyclops bisping
Declined koscheck

Is better than
Ryan bader
Shogun
Rampage
Machida
Rashad
Vitor
Chael
Glover
DC

How in the world is this even a debate
 
Why are you saying that beating
Thiago alves
Dan hardy
Matt serra
Nick Diaz
Carlos condit
Lw bj Penn greased to do it
One eyed 40 year old cyclops bisping
Declined koscheck
Seems weird that you would leave out GSPs two wins over Matt Hughes. Or his demolition of Sean Sherk.
 
Seems weird that you would leave out GSPs two wins over Matt Hughes. Or his demolition of Sean Sherk.
Why bother, matt Hughes was in his late 30s clearly in decline and had already beat him years prior.
I won't dismiss sherk as a gimme win but sherk is.another guy that was great against lower tier comp whose best win before gsp fight was karo in 2000.
Sean sherks best wins were nick Diaz karo and Hermes franca. That's not a hof run,.but in all fairness to him there wasn't a lot.of high level comp.at the time he came up in 1999 here in the states.
 
Let's examine his level of comp from their title fight forward:

Josh koscheck- went 2-7 to finish his career and georges was the only one who couldn't finish him

Alves went 6-10 to finish his career

Dan the outlaw hardy went 2-4 to finish his career

Condit went 4-8

Matt serra went 1-3

Hughes went 4-4 and was already in his late 30s

Bj 3-10-1

Is it safe to say that Georges really just caught lightning in a bottle if you will, and got all of these guys on the tail end of their careers like he did with Bisping. Not one finish other than the serra rematch.

Georges only has 2 legends on his resume and one of those fights is shrouded in disgrace so its really just one legend in Hughes.

Andersen has 4
Bones has 8
Fedor has 9
Amanda Nunes has 4

All of the fighters mentioned above all have finishes over other all time greats.

Gsp only has one finish against a career .500 LW who moved up.

I think its time to rewrite history to tell the true story of Georges career.

It was a good career, but not on the level of the real goat fighters.

He didn't finish Hughes twice? He didn't knock out Jay Heiron? You forget those?

Always everyone knows he fought everyone in their peak. A lot of fighters end their careers badly, that proves nothing
 
Every single Georges title opponent had a losing record to finish their careers
Well there's your problem, retroactively applying the downside of a guy's career to invalidate everything previous to the end. I realize everyone rags on BJ Penn for his downslide and that's probably really heavily affected you, but deep in your heart, you know that doesn't erase how good he was at his height.

Same goes for the rest of GSP's challengers
 
That's some impressively dumb shit to say. And to say it all in one post, goddamn.
 
Let's compare Fedors strength of schedule to Georges.

Fedor beat:
Semmy - 4x k1 gp champ and pancrase champ legend
Nog former pride and ufc interim champ legend
Mark Coleman former ufc champ
Randleman former ufc champ
Crocop 2006 gp champ and 2016 rizin champ legend beyond legend
Sylvia former ufc champ
Arlovski former ufc champ
Mir former ufc champ legend
Rampage former ufc champ legend

That's 9 legendary names on his resume

Georges has 2
 
Username match his thread.
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Also,
He's telling us that GSP beat them so badly,
they were never the same after.

TS case for GSP being overrated lol.

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I actually really appreciate this response as it was well thought and provided data against my argument. But in the big picture, how a fighter ends their career is how they end. We can't manipulate the stats to show almost the end, I illustrated the actual end stats. Fitch is the only fighter with a winning record and that's probably because he was fighting outside the ufc although I have always thought fitchs career is underrated.
We also should uncover who georges opponents beat to even get to a title fight. Its not a really impressive list.
How a fighter ends their career is how they end, but it doesn’t have any bearing on how good they were in their prime. Doing that we would quickly discover that no one was ever good as everyone either loses towards the end of their career or the people they beat did.

If you want to get a better idea of the value of a win you look at that fighters record leading up to and shortly following the fight.
 
Let's examine his level of comp from their title fight forward:

Josh koscheck- went 2-7 to finish his career and georges was the only one who couldn't finish him

Alves went 6-10 to finish his career

Dan the outlaw hardy went 2-4 to finish his career

Condit went 4-8

Matt serra went 1-3

Hughes went 4-4 and was already in his late 30s

Bj 3-10-1

Is it safe to say that Georges really just caught lightning in a bottle if you will, and got all of these guys on the tail end of their careers like he did with Bisping. Not one finish other than the serra rematch.

Georges only has 2 legends on his resume and one of those fights is shrouded in disgrace so its really just one legend in Hughes.

Andersen has 4
Bones has 8
Fedor has 9
Amanda Nunes has 4

All of the fighters mentioned above all have finishes over other all time greats.

Gsp only has one finish against a career .500 LW who moved up.

I think its time to rewrite history to tell the true story of Georges career.

It was a good career, but not on the level of the real goat fighters.
Worst Thread and analysis of the year... He dominated his division for a very long time and ducked nobody... When I think of his run, I think of the guys he beat and could they have been champs and defended the belt a few times if not for GSP. The answer for a lot of his defenses is FUCK YEAH.... Hughes, was and did, Hendricks, was champ, Condit was top 5 for a very long time, def champ material, Diaz top fighter all time, Alves, man was one of the scariest fighters ever at any weight class, Fitch would have been champ for a while, BJ penn, come on now,..

He fought:

Fran Trigg
Sean Sherk
BJ Penn
Matt Hughes
Matt Serra
Josh Koshcheck
Matt Hughes
Matt Serra
Jon Fitch
BJ Penn
Thiago Alves
Dan Hardy
Josh Koshcheck
Jake Shields
Carlos Condit
Nick Diaz
Johnny Hendricks


all in a row in order... he fought no one.. I will go out on a limb and say that if you find out all these fighters win loss record when GSP fought them, i would bet my life that their win % at the time of the fight is the best of any Champ or fighter..
 
GSP was the greatest lay and pray, take minimal risk, point fighter of all time.

A shame, imo. When he first began his MMA career, he was a savage.
 
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