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GSP vs Jones record, why GSP's is better. Comparison!

Discussion in 'The Lightweights' started by psyops, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. psyops

    psyops Banned Banned

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    Jones is now in the GOAT talk, so let's compare his record and career to GSP and see how stacks up.

    Before their UFC careers, GSP (5-0) had already had some good wins. A win over Ivan Menjivar, Justin Bruckmann, Travis Galbraith, Thomas Denny and Pete Spratt, all of which had decent records. GSP literally never had an easy fight in his career.

    Before the UFC Jones (6-0) mostly fought .500 fighters, none of which are really known except maybe Carlos Eduardo.

    GSP fought vastly superior competition early in their careers. Now on to the UFC where I'll argue all top 5 of GSP's wins are better than Jones.


    Georges St. Pierre

    Johhny Hendricks
    Nick Diaz
    Carlos Condit
    Jake Shields
    Josh Koscheck
    Dan Hardy
    Thiago Alves
    BJ Penn
    Jon Fitch
    Matt Serra
    Matt Hughes
    Josh Koscheck
    Matt Hughes
    BJ Penn
    Sean Sherk
    Frank Trigg
    Jason Miller
    Jay Heiron
    Karo Parisyan

    Jon Jones

    Daniel Cormier
    Glover Texeira
    Alexander Gustaffson
    Chael Sonnen
    Vitor Belfort
    Rashad Evans
    Lyoto Machida
    Quinton Jackson
    Shogun Rua
    Ryan Bader
    Vladimir Matyushenko
    Brandon Vera
    Jake Obrian
    Stephan Bonnar
    Andre Gusmao




    Let's take their top 5 wins each. (subjective of course)

    GSP

    Hughes 2
    BJ Penn 2
    Hughes 3
    BJ Penn 1
    Jake Shields


    Jones

    Cormier
    Shogun
    Lyoto
    Rashad
    Jackson

    1)

    Hughes was the reigning champ and at the height of his stardom when GSP beat him for the belt. I consider this GSP's best win. I would say a win over Cormier is comparable, as a former Olympian and undefeated fighter at 2 weight classes, but ultimately what is the better win? Probably a guy who was the reigning defending champion at the time, and top p4p fighter, Hughes.

    Hughes 1 > Cormier

    2)

    Now again this is subjective but I chose Shogun as Jones 2nd best win. Shogun was the champion at the time and had just beaten Machida. Shogun was on top in pride for a long time and now the UFC champ, a good win for Jones.

    However, GSP fought BJ Penn for the 2nd time, a superfight, champion vs champion, prime vs prime. Penn was on winning streak having just cemented his place as greatest lightweight of all time and was eager to move back up and fight GSP again after giving him a very close first fight.

    So I have to go with the superfight of course, champion vs champion, BJ Penn vs GSP 2, one of the most anticipated fights of all time.

    Penn 2 > Shogun

    3)

    I chose Lyoto as Bones 3rd best win, former champion, very skilled fighter and looked unbeatable for a period of time.

    For GSP I chose the 3rd Hughes fight. The cap to the trilogy against the greatest WW of all time (at the time) Matt Hughes.

    I have to chose Hughes as the bigger fight. It was all tied up 1-1 and they had a settle to score all the chips were on the line in this one. This was a another huge fight in terms of anticipation as well.

    Hughes 3 > Lyoto Machida

    4)

    I chose BJ Penn 1 for GSP. This was BJ Penns return to the UFC, he was known as the former champ who steam rolled Hughes and Gomi. He had a ton of hype behind him back then as I'm sure you all know.

    For Bones I chose Rashad. He was a former champion and training partner to Bones, and just overall a well rounded opponent.

    I have to chose Penn 1 as the better win. Penn just had an aura back then that few fighters had, and he was considered a top p4p fighter for so long.

    BJ Penn 1 > Rashad

    5)

    I chose Quinton Jackson at Jones 5th best win. He was the former champion and known as a durable test for anyone.

    For GSP I chose Shields. He was a top p4p fighter at the time, with a win over Hendo, former SF champ and on a huge winning streak at the time.

    I pick Shields who was on a tear with top 10 wins in 2 divisions and a huge winning streak.





    As you may have noticed I left Gus off the list, as well as Hendricks and other good fighters.

    Even though Gus may be one of the best or possibly the best fighter that Jones has fought, he hasn't really accomplished some of the things that the other fighters have that Jones has beat. The Jones fight was really what put Gustafson on the map and before that many people didn't really think that much about him, and he doesn't have that many top wins. I love Gus but how can I call him a better win then former champions when he has never been a champion and has very few top wins.

    The same thing could be said about Jon Fitch. He was one of the toughest fights GSP had, was on a huge winning streak, but I can't put him on the list because GSP has wins over guys who have accomplished more in their careers.





    Now that we're done looking at the top 5, let's look at the rest of the wins.

    Gus, Glover, Sonnen, Belfort, Bader are Bones next top wins.

    Fitch, Hendricks, Condit, Diaz, Alves are GSP's (imo)

    I think those lists are pretty well matched but I give a slight edge to GSP. Love gus but he has never gone on a 7 fight winning streak like fitch did, as not ranked top 2 forever like fitch was. Hendricks over Glover too.. Diaz and Alves are better wins than Belfort/Sonnen at 205, and Alves over Bader.




    Now we've looked at the top 10 wins of each guy, what is left?

    Bones: Vladimir Matyushenko, Brandon Vera, Stephen Bonnar, Jake Obrian, Andre Gusmao

    GSP: Karo Parisyan, Jay Heiron, Jason Miller, Sean Sherk, Frank Trigg, Josh Koscheck (2x), Matt Serra, Dan Hardy

    The rest of the best wins goes to GSP without question.

    So in conclusion. GSP has better top 5 wins, top 10 wins, and better wins in general and a much tougher early career.
     
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    Jones has 1 more win over defeating former UFC champions

    GSP: Penn, Hughes, Serra
    Jones: Jackson, Machida, Evans, Belfort

    Also Jones finished 3 of the former champs as GSP hasn't finished anyone since getting the belt.
     
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    Wtf lol
     
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    Can't really compare the two, GSP is a different generation of fighter than Jones.

    Seems weird to say but consider GSP Serra 2 was one week after Jones had his first professional fight.

    So including his brief tenure as interim champ (GSP Hughes 3), GSP has been the champ for Jones' entire career.

    Ultimately i think Jones has or will surpass all of the others in time, but as it stands right now, boring or not, GSP had a stranglehold on what was probably the most consistently stacked division.

    Also, if GSP doesn't come back, he'll have retired WITH the belt, which to me personally is probably the greatest accomplishment we've seen to date.

    That being said, Jones is well on his way and should he get through Gus and Rumble, that'd pretty much seal it 'cause at that point he may as well retire.
     
  11. psyops

    psyops Banned Banned

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    Yeah I used to hope gsp would come back but now I want him to stay retire
     
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    Jones is the more talented fighter but George is 100 times the individual Jones is. George wins at "Life".
     
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    1. GSP
    2. Jones
    3. Silva
    4. Fedor
     
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    Imo jones is bettwr already. GsP too many wastes fights on same opponents.

    That being said, Jones is still adding to his resume and will surpass GSP even more soon. GSP is no longer adding to it.
     
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    GSP is not better for the reasons you listed.

    He is better at this stage b/c he has more defenses and was dominant over a strong division for a longer period of time.
    If Jones keeps winning he will then surpass but he not quite there yet.
     
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    Damn, easy to forget what a stud gsp was.
     
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    Lol at counting inflated LW BJ as a better win than Rashad. Shogun I could see, since the Shogun that Jones fought looked awful, but even then you have to consider the fact that BJ realistically should've been at LW or below his entire career. Imo, there's no way he is a better win than Rashad, regardless of the super fight hype that surrounded GSP/Penn II. Rashad has been in the top ten for years now and has a better record than BJ at this point.
     
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    gsp believes he was abducted by aliens
    Jon uses coke
    That would be a good matchup
     
  19. psyops

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    You're looking at things from todays perspective. At the time Penn was a top fighter with a win over.the #1 ww and gomi, and was dropping down from 185lbs.

    The reason I made this thread is for people like you who may not have been around at the time or have short memories. It was.a better win imo.
     
  20. MusterX

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    Barring some sort of career derailment, Bones is likely to break pretty much all of Anderson and George's records that matter. Consider this, GSP holds the record for most wins in the Octagon with 19. Bones already has 15 wins in the Octagon and is only 27 years old. All the records that will make him GOAT are within reach while he is still young. Its scary actually.

    For now though, GSP avenging both losses and leaving as champion is pretty damn impressive.
     

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