Grip fighting Butterfly Guard

[Killingshot]

Any tips? instructions? anything? its a weak part of my game.

No gi btw,

 

[greedysob]

There are some videos floating around youtube of Marcelo Garcia rolling no gi with various people. A lot of them start with him grip fighting from butterfly guard. Watching those should give you some ideas.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Go for the underhook and don't let them flatten you. If you get the chance, arm drag.

 

[Killingshot]

Go for the underhook and don't let them flatten you. If you get the chance, arm drag.

Of course, but it's obviously easier said then done. I was just wondering if there were any tactics on getting head control, or overhooks and underhooks when the guy is really tight with his defence.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Of course, but it's obviously easier said then done. I was just wondering if there were any tactics on getting head control, or overhooks and underhooks when the guy is really tight with his defence.

Well, I didn't know what level you were coming from so I gave the most basic advice. In terms of more advanced stuff, I like to throw guillotines and transition to a front headlock position if they block the choke. I also like to enter with feet on the knees to screw with their balance from the word go. I don't really count on getting the sweep from butterfly, but if you can get the double unders and transition him up then you can go for X-guard or a leg lock. Little tricks...I don't know, I tend to focus on wrist control and being willing to disengage if I start to get in trouble and get flattened. I think it's more a matter of practicing a lot than any specific technique.

I recommend Marcelo Garcia's stuff. It's helped my guard a lot.

 

[Killingshot]

Well, I didn't know what level you were coming from so I gave the most basic advice. In terms of more advanced stuff, I like to throw guillotines and transition to a front headlock position if they block the choke. I also like to enter with feet on the knees to screw with their balance from the word go. I don't really count on getting the sweep from butterfly, but if you can get the double unders and transition him up then you can go for X-guard or a leg lock. Little tricks...I don't know, I tend to focus on wrist control and being willing to disengage if I start to get in trouble and get flattened. I think it's more a matter of practicing a lot than any specific technique.

I recommend Marcelo Garcia's stuff. It's helped my guard a lot.

Thanks, that helped.

Yeah, I was trying to check out Marcelo's stuff. I know that he has a few instructions on basic hook sweeps, and guillotines from this position. I'd love to join MG in action, but I don't have the money, unfortunately.

 

[Uchi Mata]

My experience (and I played butterfly almost exclusively for quite a while) is that sweeping directly from butterfly is often hard, but that using butterfly to f*** with their balance while being ready to transition to a better attack position is very effective. I hit few BF sweeps (especially in no-gi), but I hit a lot of X-guard and a fair amount of leg locks from the elevated 'almost a sweep' position. I also love to arm drag, if you get good at hitting those from a BF pummel then you'll take a lot of backs. From a comp perspective, it's well worth getting good at since it's pretty much the only open guard that doesn't put you at serious risk for footlocks. Reilly Bodycomb talks about the utility of butterfly guard from that standpoint.

Speaking of leg locks, being prepared to slide a leg under and throw it over for leg locks is a very sound option from butterfly in no-gi.

 

[Killingshot]

My experience (and I played butterfly almost exclusively for quite a while) is that sweeping directly from butterfly is often hard, but that using butterfly to f*** with their balance while being ready to transition to a better attack position is very effective. I hit few BF sweeps (especially in no-gi), but I hit a lot of X-guard and a fair amount of leg locks from the elevated 'almost a sweep' position. I also love to arm drag, if you get good at hitting those from a BF pummel then you'll take a lot of backs. From a comp perspective, it's well worth getting good at since it's pretty much the only open guard that doesn't put you at serious risk for footlocks. Reilly Bodycomb talks about the utility of butterfly guard from that standpoint.

Speaking of leg locks, being prepared to slide a leg under and throw it over for leg locks is a very sound option from butterfly in no-gi.

Thanks a lot man, this is all good advice. Would you recommend Marcelo's book? I know that it has a few details from the butterfly guard for No Gi, and a decent amount of X Guard stuff.

 

[dazed863]

if you really want good instruction join his website... i mean man books are good and all but for 25 bucks a month consider it a living book that is always refining and rewriting itself. if you get board with it or lose interest just unsubscribe. i think you'll get way more mileage out of his website.

anyway for me its just practice practice practice. prepare to get passed and frustrated..... A LOT..... at least at first but after awhile your guard will become dynamic and you'll never be in danger as long as you can stay off your back and keep people from getting grips on your legs.

anyway as far as hand fighting the arm drag is money and there are several sweep options from there. if it fails keep the cross body grip on his wrist / sleeve and with the hand that is on the elbow move to reach around to the back. get close to him.. and then place your head under his. pull him on top of your body with the grip on the belt and keep the other hand across your body preventing the post. now elevate with your hooks and take him to unpostable side for the sweep....

also look up a few inverted arm bar options... a good offense is a good defense in my experience. if they are pressing to pass a few good armbar / guillotine attempts will either submit them or stop the advance.

 

[Uchi Mata]

the book is handy, though the vids are really where it's at. I would pick a month where you knew you'd have some time, join MG in Action, and watch as much as you could. Take notes, pick the stuff that makes the most sense to you, etc. You can pick up a lot just watching him roll.

 

[Killingshot]

Thanks guys, this is all quality information.