Greg Jackson: Success Breeds Criticism

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  1. youngsteinel

    youngsteinel Silver Belt

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    Read the whole article here:
    http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/01/trainer-greg-jackson-success-breeds-criticism

    Thoughts?
     
  2. mrsinister

    mrsinister Brown Belt

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    ''DO NOT ATTACK. Wait 30 seconds, then take him down. DO NOT PASS THE GUARD.''
     
  3. Peteyandjia

    Peteyandjia Saku Spring Staff Member Forum Administrator

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    So do flaws.
     
  4. Chubz

    Chubz Red Belt

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    Yep, pretty much this.
     
  5. dickcheney

    dickcheney Gold Belt

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    success is part of it....but the criticism was bred on more than that
     
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    Fijeeto Berserk Belt Platinum Member

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    "Go check on Lyoto. Get some fans."
     
  7. Phoenix Down

    Phoenix Down Banned Banned

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    Bad / cocky attitudes breed more criticism then success.

    Many people who have far, far more success then anything Jones or anyone from Jacksons camp are loved universally because they are just "good people".

    Jackson's damage control is stupid.
     
  8. youngsteinel

    youngsteinel Silver Belt

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    I think it is more there fighting style than attitudes.
     
  9. Phoenix Down

    Phoenix Down Banned Banned

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    I love that camps fighting styles, to be honest. No complaints from me in that area.
     
  10. Spinjitsu

    Spinjitsu Banned Banned

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    Sounds like you have a personal problem with people you don't even know. I'd say you're worse off then they.
     
  11. Terror Zone

    Terror Zone Banned Banned

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    The two aren't mutually exclusive.
     
  12. ufcfan4

    ufcfan4 Can't Andle The Riddum

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    at the end of the day for the Guidas of his camp (and i like clay but lets just say he "embraces the grind") there are guys like condit, cub, cowboy who bring it like crazy in almost every appearance. Jackson has been associated with caution and fighting not to lose but at the end of the day his camp is full of a bunch of talented guys and not everyone fights in a way that matches that template.

    guys who are naturally aggressive like cowboy and cub would not stick around with greg if he were just a wall and stall/stick and move guy.
     
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    meh, I think it has more to do with jones than anything.
    Part of what he says is true though
     
  14. youngsteinel

    youngsteinel Silver Belt

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    I think the criticism comes from fighters generally fighting with a game plan, which isn't always the most exciting for the fans. Even Condit's circling away and picking his strikes against Diaz irked a lot of people, despite Condit having so many finishes.
     
  15. Gavster

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    Majority of haters of Jackson and Jones funnily enough appeared after Dana cried Wolf at 151. Not saying you just nod and take on Danas opinion. Oh yes I am.
     
  16. axecutioner

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    What a convenient set of mental gymnastics to deflect criticism. It's not his success that fans criticize; it's the overly conservative approach that makes fights boring and predictable.

    Imagine if you were the coach of a football team that had a good offense and an amazing defense that virtually no one could score upon. Your game plan was to have your offense move down the field and kick one field goal. Then on each subsequent possession take a knee 3-times, punt, and then let the defense handle the rest.

    People would criticize you for taking the fun out of the sport, not for your success.
     
  17. eddymotto

    eddymotto Red Belt

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    Jackson pretty much nailed it.

    there are always going to be people who don't like the fighters at his camp and/or don't like him.

    that's just sports. the whole point is to cheer for and against
     
  18. KillingJoke

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    Not necessarily just having a game plan. But a point scoring, conservative game plan is what most fans hate.
     
  19. axecutioner

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    Really? From what I remember, it started around when GSP couldn't/wouldn't finish Hardy.
     
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    Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
     

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