Greg Hardy is already a top 10 HW. Let’s put feelings aside and be real here

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  1. BigMuffler

    BigMuffler Loli is love loli is life!

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    Greg Hardy is just some muscular black guy, Tai is a superhuman being with metal bones and build in fat armor. After all... he's Samoan.
     
  2. suffersystem

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    99% of fighters are failures then.
     
  3. Melas Chasma

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    Ok, I haven't watched all his fights. I just based that on his willingness to even choose this sport. Most people probably know already without trying they couldn't do it.
     
  4. MikeMcMann

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    Its a stupid point.

    If any top MMA camp could cultivate from the top ranks of accountants and top ranks of A level athletes and train them equally it is simply stupid to assume the A level athletes would not have a higher success rate transitioning to MMA than the top accountants.

    That you think otherwise puts you in a tiny minority camp.

    Yes it true we do not know that any specific A level athlete can make it MMA and that any specific accountant could not but that point (the one you always come back to) does not matter when assessing the groups.

    Why? The A-Level Athletes have many of the components already proven to be successful in fights (even if they may not have all). Reflexes, speed, balance, coordination, strength, agility, endurance.

    Is it possible the accountant is tougher and has more heart for fighting, yes possible. But not likely. The qualities that make an A level athlete also means they are more likely to be tougher and have more heart for fighting than accountants or other lesser athletes as a group.
     
  5. Final Say

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    Pro ball players are no more likely to have world class fighting skill than you or me
     
  6. MikeMcMann

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    Sure at the highest levels of MMA they are.

    Not saying Brock did not have some success. He did. He got a straight line path to a quick belt fight and he won it before anyone really knew about his weakness. He got by mostly on his raw athleticism and size but got exposed, as most do if they have a huge glaring weakness and they fight enough styles o expose it.

    Again my point was not to disparage Brock but he came in with expectations of being the next GOAT type HW champ and in that regard he failed as he was never going to just compete as a gate keeper regular fighter.
     
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  7. MikeMcMann

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    That ignores the point.

    If you take 100 you and me types and 100 A level pro athletes in their prime and you through us all into top MMA camps the amount of guys from the A level athlete camp that will succeed in MMA will dwarf the amount of guys like you and me who will cut it.

    That is what you keep dancing around and trying to ignore. They have the skills to adapt at a much higher rate than you and I and accountants.
     
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    Depends on how you define success. You said Brock Lesnar was a failure. If the bar is that high, then we'll likely have 200 failures in this experiment.
     
  9. MikeMcMann

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    Again you miss the point or you try to continue duck it.

    Any level of success is your answer.

    Do you think 100 guys like us or 100 accountants if all thrown into MMA training along side 100 top A level athletes in their prime would have the same amount of success (whatever that success is) as the A level guys?

    (who would have more guys making any pro ranks, more making it to the UFC, more making it to champ in the UFC, all or any of that)
     
  10. Aggro

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    LOL Give it a rest

    This has already been done on a much bigger stage (HWT boxing) than MMA by reject basketball players (who have had the most success in transitioning to combat sports):

    Fight sports also requires excellent eye-hand coordination. Doh

    Basketball also requires excellent eye-hand coordination. Doh

    (eye-hand coordination is not a pre-requisite for NFL lineman so on average lineman won't do as well as basketball players)

    Many basketball players an excellent combination of: height, size, reach, athleticism, stamina, coordination, agility, skills AND most importantly, eye-hand coordination

    This is the main reason why ex-basketball players (even college players who didn't reach NBA) have made the best transition to combat sports, from non-combat sports eg

    - Deontay Wilder (boxer): WBC World champion hwt. Late starter. College basketball player

    - Michael Grant (boxer) - former world #3 hwt, started boxing age 20. Challenged Lennox Lewis for world title
    College basketball player

    - Travis Browne (MMA): former top 5. Community college basketball player
     
  11. executionermma

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    No, that's not true. Stopped there. That's just what idiots like you think. Stop projecting.
    Andrei won, Tai is just a fat bum.
     
  12. Njmma209

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    What are you even on about? Who’s the best HW prospect signed to the UFC then? That bum Rocha on the undercard? And what am I projecting?

    Greg Hardy would’ve KOed de la Rocha if he fought at 225.
     
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    lol.. Rocha is 40 years old and could very well be retiring after that fight, he's not a prospect idiot

    you're projecting this Tuivasa bum as a prospect to make a case for Hardy, but no, Tuivasa is not any better than guys like Justin Willis, Dmitriy Sosnovskiy and Adam Wieczorek. Even Justin Ledet, who is dropping to 205, could beat Tuivasa.
     
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    That’s cute, but none of that changes my point that Hardy would KO Tuivasa if they fought next month. He would sleep Arvloski too.

    Also, you still haven’t provided me with the best UFC hw prospect if not Tai...idiot.
     
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    Feelings aside, he has potential but looks stiff on the feet.

    With some more experience he could be a contender.

    He's got that power, that's for sure.
     
  16. Alpha_T83

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    I think top 10 UFC might be a stretch -- we haven't seen his ground game or takedown defense against a top level guy. However, his hands and power look good.

    Let's say he's top 20 UFC HW right now, and let him have a fight or two against other ranked opponents.
     
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    i don't believe that, but anyway that means nothing, Tuivasa is a bum and Arlovski is old asf

    Dmitriy would takedown Hardy and pound him into a stoppage, look up what he did to Aleks who is a great striker with very fast hands
     
  18. ImNotSurpisedDonks!

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    Funnily, it is the past we hate so much about Hardy that is THE ONLY reason why we have gotten the unprecedented opportunity of seeing an A level prime athlete in our sport. If he didn't f up, he would undoubtedly be in the NFL, making way more money. The better athletes in Jones family make 10x what he does because they were good enough to play NFL, while Jones never had a shot or was good enough - Hardy is even a much better athlete than the best in Jones family.
     
  19. Njmma209

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    Aleks is also past his prime though and has had a hot and cold career

    What’s the deal on the Dmitriy guy though? Why did he not compete from 2015 to his ufc debut in March 2018?
     
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