Law Grandmother dies after spending last five months of her life in jail on $300 bond without trial

[ObamaPhoneLady]

This is sad.

The family wasn't notified but also somehow didn't realize whe was fucking missing for 5 months?

All around shitty situation that could have been avoided with 30 bucks.

30 bucks or a family that gave a shit.

 

[It-is-what-it-is]

Just think of how viral this thread would be if she had only taken an extra $50 of debt. Too bad

 

[Riberaria377]

I specified several, but I'll list them and more to be more explicit:
(1)(a) end cash bail or (b) adjust cash bail and criminal fines based on income, (2) instate mandatory maximum detainment periods for persons charged with misdemeanors, (3) pass more stringent residency requirements for criminal justice employment so that members of a community are policing their own, (4) require minimum number/hours of crisis intervention-trained officers on duty, (5) ban detainment for non-domestic debt collection crimes, (6) increase the funding and presence of traditional psychiatric facilities that are equipped for long-term residence

Thank you for the response and clarification.

(1)(a) end cash bail or (b) adjust cash bail and criminal fines based on income

I don't think this article in particular is a great argument for that but... I agree bail disproportionately effects the poor in the negative. I don't know what a good solution to this would be though.

(2) instate mandatory maximum detainment periods for persons charged with misdemeanors

This seems like a great idea to me, I don't know how anyone can argue against this, especially when concerning people with little to no prior criminal history.

(3) pass more stringent residency requirements for criminal justice employment so that members of a community are policing their own, (4) require minimum number/hours of crisis intervention-trained officers on duty

These are nice ideas, I have my doubts on how much impact they would have. That is just my opinion though, and its as worth as much as that.

(6) increase the funding and presence of traditional psychiatric facilities that are equipped for long-term residence

Increased funding doesn't take into account the authority that a mental health "professional" would have to be given to commit a old granny who committed a minor crime to a long term residence in a mental health facility. I think you may be making a contradiction there, the granny committed a very minor crime. You are arguing that more funding will some how give mental health "professionals" a better opinion on diagnosing some one. At the end of the day she committed a minor crime, I don't want to see people railroaded to long term mental health facilities because they committed a minor crime and are homeless.

 

[Pelosi2020]

I had like an entire 2 weeks of 40 hours a day where every single call I went to was a mental health call.

Did you buy yourself something nice with that overtime pay?

 

[Protectandserve]

Did you buy yourself something nice with that overtime pay?

That was a standard work week... : ( no OT dealing with the crazies.

Did get some OT for the holidays and used it to pay down my credit card.

And my phone changed each to a. I did not work 40 hours a day, would be sweet OT though.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Isn't that the public defender's job though? At least where I live the attorney of the defendant is the one that is contacting next of kin/family to try and figure out bail shit.

Still doesn't explain how a first time legal pickup/offender has bail set on a misdo. That's where I'm confused

Was she a first timer? Don't remember reading that.

 

[Riberaria377]

That was a standard work week... : ( no OT dealing with the crazies.

Did get some OT for the holidays and used it to pay down my credit card.

And my phone changed each to a. I did not work 40 hours a day, would be sweet OT though.

I have a in-law who works law enforcement, he says they always get more calls for "mental breakdowns" during the holiday season (emotions run high I think this time of year). He said people are usually drunk and if they cooperate they bring them to detox, if they don't cooperate they bring them downtown. Just some anecdotal experience I heard from him (not much to do with the original post), I'm sure it isn't all gravy and pumpkin pie for LEO's this time of year. Stay safe mate

 

[Gregolian]

Was she a first timer? Don't remember reading that.

Yeah. Opening post said this was her first real run in I think

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Yeah. Opening post said this was her first real run in I think

It says her first 'real' run-in in that county. I'm guessing she was known to police.

 

[BEER]

30 bucks or a family that gave a shit.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. The family thought she was in a hospital for 5 months but never tried to visit? Disgusting.

 

[Riberaria377]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. The family thought she was in a hospital for 5 months but never tried to visit? Disgusting.

Take a step back guys, we are arguing policy here, not human decency. It is more effective to go through the legislative process to protect old mentally ill homeless grandmas than it is to have granny's multiple offspring give a single f*ck about her. We need payed grandchildren to visit and pay 30 dollars to bail out granny sponsored by the state. At least the police took her into jail, where were they suppose to take her? I guess funding will give mental health professionals more intelligence to drug more people in a specific way that will make them "function". If I didn't lay this on thick enough... Giving "mental health" professionals enough authority to put a old grandma in long term mental health treatment because of a minor offense, the government could and will take advantage of that.

 

[Protectandserve]

I have a in-law who works law enforcement, he says they always get more calls for "mental breakdowns" during the holiday season (emotions run high I think this time of year). He said people are usually drunk and if they cooperate they bring them to detox, if they don't cooperate they bring them downtown. Just some anecdotal experience I heard from him (not much to do with the original post), I'm sure it isn't all gravy and pumpkin pie for LEO's this time of year. Stay safe mate

Unless you're an asshole, I only take people for detox, no charges.

Holidays mean family who hates each other gets together under one roof. Always makes for interesting calls when paired with some boozing.

 

[tonni]

Trotsky is white and sekf hating and loves any story about a persin who is black anf broke the law. He can then scream "racism"


At least be consistent. I can dig up those posts of theirs. But i bet you dont care since your liberal friends said it.

I said something about @luckyshot ’s joke. I never read Trotsky’s post. You’re still a waste of life that literally contributes nothing to any thread you’re ever in except providing the stupidest possible opinion every single time.

 

[Seaside]

I said something about @luckyshot ’s joke. I never read Trotsky’s post. You’re still a waste of life that literally contributes nothing to any thread you’re ever in except providing the stupidest possible opinion every single time.

I get lots of likes in offtopic and in war room. Mostly from right wing and libertarian type posters. Soooo it seems only lefties dislike me such as yourself. Its expected and reciprocated. Otherwise some people like my opinions. And where in from and most of the world. Right wing politics dominates. Not far left liberalism. So theres that. Oh and religions are all largely right wing. So it seems lefties like you are really the minority in the global sense.

I can dig up his post if you want. I doubt he would deny it. Since it did happen.

 

[ShadowRun]

Wow actually going through that article you linked closely, it's amazing how dishonest you've been this entire thread.

'No racial angle': the title of the article mentions her race.

Then the central message of the whole article is racial 'cash bond system disproportionately affects black people': no, it disproportionately affects poor people.

Then you try to pass of Kamal Harris' ideas off as your own.

And at the end of the day you read an outrage porn clickbait article designed to push the end cash bonds agenda and came to to the 'conclusion' that we should end cash bonds.

What a dishonest and easily led little simpleton you really are.

Not surprised, it's a THOT-SKY thread

 

[Joe265]

Dont break the law
Dont be so unpopular nobody will help you out with $30 bond.
Dont be poor
Dont commit crime

Utopia

 

[grizzard2bid]

Sounds like her "family" took a crap on her and didn't even bother to visit.
Why prison system is absolute joke and borderline/fascist enterprise, the blame also goes on her family. They just chugged it off to her being "in mental state hospital".

Fck them and fck the prison system.

 

[grizzard2bid]

Dont break the law
Dont be so unpopular nobody will help you out with $30 bond.
Dont be poor
Dont commit crime

I've spent a night in jail for charges that were dropped. I got out on bail next day, but the cocksuckers at bureau of prisons had aforehead knowledge that I didn't commit any violation, and by policy had me stay in the cell for 24 hours. They can all slowly die of lukemia, their kids, and their kids' kids. Fck em all.

Yeah, I hate prison system, cops, and the BS justice system in general.

 

[Joe265]

I've said it repeatedly, the mental health system in the US needs an absolute overhaul.

Mental illness that leads to minor crimes (trespassing, petty theft, etc) should not be a police issue to deal with. Jails are not supposed to be mental health facilities.

The hard part is it means making it easier to have people committed, placed under conservatorship and the like. Counties need a dedicated mental health team, that does not require cops to tag along to address these issues.

I'm talking a 3rd branch of first responders in addition to police and fire/EMS. Clinicians and mental health professionals to address mental illness.

I had like an entire 2 weeks of 40 hours a day where every single call I went to was a mental health call.

Curing mental health involves opening the door to mushrooms, iboga, dmt, etc. Big pharma and government decided you’re better off just being treated, that way you become a permanent revenue stream for the economy. Our government has lost control.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

I've spent a night in jail for charges that were dropped. I got out on bail next day, but the cocksuckers at bureau of prisons had aforehead knowledge that I didn't commit any violation, and by policy had me stay in the cell for 24 hours. They can all slowly die of lukemia, their kids, and their kids' kids. Fck em all.

Yeah, I hate prison system, cops, and the BS justice system in general.

damn, you hate cops and justice system because you did a night in the drunk tank?