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  1. Finding Deebo Swimming in Heaven, lookin' for Craig!! Banned

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    Hello fellow teenagers...

    I watch boxing a good bit but I have some questions on the nuances of the business:

    1) Why don't boxing promoters create their own belts (like the UFC does) in order to circumvent the sanctioning bodies?

    2) If there are state/government athletic commissions to sanction fights, why do you need the non-governmental sanctioning bodies?

    3) If fighters are signed to a promotion, do they typically only fight other fighters in that promotion? If not, what is the arrangement with other promotions?
     
  2. HardasNAILZ Black Belt

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    How many times have you knocked one out today buddy?
     
  3. Hagler Man of wealth and taste Platinum Member

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    Yes, No and 4 Million.
     
  4. Seano Hands of bone

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    Promoters having belts would be even worse than the sanctioning bodies. Ufc only works if you're one of the few dozen fighters on their roster. They decide who is the best and it only includes those under their banner. While the sanctioning bodies suck, they at least don't base their ranks on who fights for what promoter.While we don't get enough cross promotion fights in boxing, we get none in the ufc.
     
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    There's obviously more than just a few dozen fighters in the UFC. The UFC's official site lists over 720 fighters on their roster that are currently signed and considered ‘active.’ As for your second claim, the UFC doesn't decide their own official rankings (divisional or P4P). Various media outlets do that make up the rankings panel.
    Athletes | All - UFC
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  6. Seano Hands of bone

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    Eh, they do decide the ranking by who they put on their cards. Their rankings are only relevant to their own matchups.
     
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    They have internal matchmakers just like every other promotion does. They build their own cards around their fighters and promote the events. It's not a perfect system but they don't decide their own rankings and their active roster is exponentially larger than you suggested it is.
     
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  8. svmVR2097 Brown Belt

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    The Ali Act prevents a promotion from having its own belts and has to be overseen by a 3rd party
     
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    So the Ali Act - if applied to MMA - would completely fuck the UFC no?
     
  10. Seano Hands of bone

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    They do though. UFC fighters only fight UFC fighters.
    Top Rank has no say in who the number one contender for Crawfords belt is.
     
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    That's a different argument. The UFC doesn't want to co-promote and we know that. Their workaround is to acquire other major MMA orgs, their rivals, which we've seen going on since 2007 when they bought Pride, then the WEC merger, and then with their acquisition of Strikeforce. The end result is the fans still get to see the best fight the best only it's under the same roof (feel free to call it a monopoly because for all intents and purposes it is). The UFC has the vast majority of the best MMA fighters already under contract so being forced to see a UFC fighter fight another UFC fighter isn't much of an issue if any these days. Bellator is their closest competitor in the market and they're just not that competitive.
     
  12. ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    the WBO definitely has at least a little of this with top rank fighters, and the IBF with certain British promoters and WBC with certain Mexican promoters.
     
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    The Ali Act was crafted with full knowledge that there was precedent for breaking up promotions with a monopoly on elite boxing in the United States (the Supreme Court ruled that the IBC of New York violated anti-trust law in the 1950s and was broken up as a result). It isn't the Ali Act itself that prevents promotional monopolies, it's the precedent set by the Supreme Court (which the Ali Act assumes defines the lay of the land in professional boxing). In order for most of the Ali Act to really matter in MMA, a similar ruling would have to be made regarding the UFC being a monopoly on elite level MMA (by the criteria that they used to define IBC of New York a monopoly on elite professional boxing, the UFC would undoubtedly count). Of course, there is absolutely no chance that this happens nowadays considering the changes in political, economic and legal thinking between now and the heyday of the New Deal in the 1950s (imagine getting this SC to rule in favour of breaking up the UFC; it's simply never going to happen).

    Some of the smaller parts of the Ali Act could legitimately help MMA fighters (rules that make negotiation between fighter and promotion more equitable by forcing the promotions to disclose financial information, for example), but it's an act specifically tailored for boxing that assumes there aren't going to be any promotional monopolies. With recent trends like Prop 22 in the Cali (I expect something similar to be pushed nationally quite soon and it will have bi-partisan support), I think the chances that the pay for MMA fighters improves in any meaningful way in coming years is vanishingly small.
     
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    Depends on how it’s applied to mma or if it’s updated some but most likely, yes.
     
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  17. Charliemopic White Belt

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    Yep. UFC is a business and only push UFC products.
    FORD is a business and wont push Corvettes.
     

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