Gomi is the greatest lightweight of all time

[JustOnce]

Says the biggest troll on Sherdog. Projection much?

Well I think you are the one projecting, but hey you do you

 

[mkt]

Nah. Same thing with Eddie/Conor. Conor wiped the floor with him. I called it. Made a thread about it. People shat on me, but look what happened.

Fergusson too wild and too chinny. You can't fight fire with crazy. And Gomi is the fireball kid and Fergusson is a wild dude

Ferguson would make any version of Gomi cry.

 

[mkess101]

Nah. Same thing with Eddie/Conor. Conor wiped the floor with him. I called it. Made a thread about it. People shat on me, but look what happened.

Fergusson too wild and too chinny. You can't fight fire with crazy. And Gomi is the fireball kid and Fergusson is a wild dude

I could go into all the things Tony does that make him successful, but I think it would kinda be a waste of time here. You have your mind made up already, no point arguing it.

I'll just say that while I don't think Gomi is the best LW ever, he's in the top 5 and he's also in the top 5 for most exciting LW's ever. Being both of those is a huge accomplishment. And in the current landscape of MMA he'd really be a featherweight anyway. He liked to party and maybe didn't have the discipline to cut to 145, but he easily could have. He was a pretty small LW doing what he did.

 

[skombolis]

Seems like way too much time to put into an OP to convince people you think are stupid not to already agree with you. And a strange way to go about trying to change people's minds.

I think he was a very good fighter but the best at LW? Come on, that can't be serious or is too biased to take seriously.

 

[JustOnce]

It was close. I was a Hellboy fan more than a Gomi fan at the time, so I was happy with the decision.

Anyone who smash Aoki is great in my book

 

[JustOnce]

Ferguson would make any version of Gomi cry.

Yup. Your delusion makes me cry.

 

[JustOnce]

I could go into all the things Tony does that make him successful, but I think it would kinda be a waste of time here. You have your mind made up already, no point arguing it.

I'll just say that while I don't think Gomi is the best LW ever, he's in the top 5 and he's also in the top 5 for most exciting LW's ever. Being both of those is a huge accomplishment. And in the current landscape of MMA he'd really be a featherweight anyway. He liked to party and maybe didn't have the discipline to cut to 145, but he easily could have. He was a pretty small LW doing what he did.

I thought Nijem would beat Tony, was wrong. I thougt Vinny was going to beat Bader, but was wrong. Both guys made a great career out of themselves, but let's be honest. Bader isn't on par with Cormier, or even Rumble.

Neither is Fergusson with GOmi

 

[JustOnce]

Seems like way too much time to put into an OP to convince people you think are stupid not to already agree with you. And a strange way to go about trying to change people's minds.

I think he was a very good fighter but the best at LW? Come on, that can't be serious or is too biased to take seriously.

I've been saying this for at least a decade.

 

[JustOnce]

Anyways folks, good chatting, if you disagree, then let's agree to disagree. Bushido Gomi was something else. If you disagree, then listen to other PROFESSIONAL lightweight fighters. Just like if you hate Fedor, listen to the fellow fighters who says he's the GOAT.

Anyways, agree to disagree.

 

[JustOnce]

This thread needs a hero.

Yea Sean doesn't get the respect he deserves either. A great fighter. Too bad we never saw Sherk vs Gomi.

 

[Mixfight]

Let's not forget that Gomi whooped Tyson Griffins ass too when it meant something.

 

[Taric]

The depth of talent matters too. If the current 15th ranked fighter is clearly better than someone who was ranked 5th a decade ago, some of us take that into consideration.

That said, the guys Gomi was fighting (and beating, mostly) in Pride and Shooto are often overlooked these days. My guy Hellboy gave him his first loss though in Shooto though. Was a huge Hansen fan back in the day.

This is so simple guys. If you aren't the ranked the #1 fighter, how can be ranked the greatest of all time? Everything you do as the #1 is what establishes that ranking. Championships, beating the best, and being the best. That's the shit that matters in sports.

Khabib's only been #1 for about a year. Tony's never even been #1. How can they possibly be the greatest LWs of all time? There's no logical reasoning you can come up with outside of shit that's literally in your own head.

 

[mkess101]

I thought Nijem would beat Tony, was wrong. I thougt Vinny was going to beat Bader, but was wrong. Both guys made a great career out of themselves, but let's be honest. Bader isn't on par with Cormier, or even Rumble.

Neither is Fergusson with GOmi

I agree on Bader (although Rumble IDK...he obviously KO'd Bader but I think Bader has gotten better and obviously Rumble just was never motivated to stay with fighting).

Ferguson is that good, and better. He does things that are just different from anyone else. His cardio might be the best in MMA history. He has some of the best chokes in MMA. He's ultra durable and makes every guy he fights look like they were pushed into a wood chipper.

Again, we can agree to disagree. I rank Ferguson above Gomi. Not because I don't respect Gomi's greatness, but because Tony is just that good.

 

[IsNormal]

Haha, this is the kind of unleashed and detailed rants that I love about Sherdog.

There is only one LW GOAT, he is 27-0, never lost a round

He lost a round as recently as his latest fight.

 

[skombolis]

I've been saying this for at least a decade.

Fair enough. I respect the passion

 

[mkess101]

This is so simple guys. If you aren't the ranked the #1 fighter, how can be ranked the greatest of all time? Everything you do as the #1 is what establishes that ranking. Championships, beating the best, and being the best. That's the shit that matters in sports.

Khabib's only been #1 for about a year. Tony's never even been #1. How can they possibly be the greatest of all time? There's no logical reasoning you can come up with outside of shit that's literally in your own head.

I get your argument. It actually makes sense. Let me put it this way:

I think Khabib and Tony are the two BEST lightweights of all time, even though they may not be looed at (yet anyway) as the all time "GREATEST" lightweights.

In other words, I believe they are the two best to ever fight in that division. I would favor them to beat any other LW. But their accomplishments (assuming you believe titles and such are the determining factor) don't rank them at the top yet.

 

[Taric]

I get your argument. It actually makes sense. Let me put it this way:

I think Khabib and Tony are the two BEST lightweights of all time, even though they may not be looed at (yet anyway) as the all time "GREATEST" lightweights.

In other words, I believe they are the two best to ever fight in that division. I would favor them to beat any other LW. But their accomplishments (assuming you believe titles and such are the determining factor) don't rank them at the top yet.

I see. Well I only deal in reality. I don't get into prime vs prime and p4p arguments so I'll leave you to it.

 

[Taric]

All though prime Kerr beats everyone.

 

[HHJ]

Gomi peaked really early,and his best wins arent really that great considering who else beat those guys,before,and after. Its really the WAY he beat people when he was on his run,is what people remember.

But it didnt last long. The Diaz fight really exposed him.

Penn and Khabib,and others are def higher.

 

[Pakman]

I could go into all the things Tony does that make him successful, but I think it would kinda be a waste of time here. You have your mind made up already, no point arguing it.

I'll just say that while I don't think Gomi is the best LW ever, he's in the top 5 and he's also in the top 5 for most exciting LW's ever. Being both of those is a huge accomplishment. And in the current landscape of MMA he'd really be a featherweight anyway. He liked to party and maybe didn't have the discipline to cut to 145, but he easily could have. He was a pretty small LW doing what he did.

came back to say something similar. I think his resume is great and he was the best in the world at one point, but BJ already had the win over him, and Gomi didn't maintain his dominance for some long stretch etc. BJ came back and looked better than ever so its hard to say Gomi was the best ever when BJ was better than him in basically the same era.

Tony's resume in today's MMA game is ridiculous and Khabib's dominance in this era is probably even more ridiculous. He's a specialist. I don't care if his striking has improved (which it has), he does 1 thing, people know he's going to do 1 thing, and he still gets it done (lol @ mma has "evolved")

I've blown Gomi's nuts on here since joining in 06, but, he isn't the best LW of all time. He's one of them for sure, a worthy inclusion in any top 5 list (and he should be on everyone's top 5 list), but much like with DC, you can't be GOAT if you weren't even the best of your era.